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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What is the measuring stick? When the USA behaves in a more moral fashion than any of their enemies they still get all the blame. That's why I see far more criticism on these boards about the United States than Russia, China, and any Muslim dominated country, or anywhere else in the world. George Bush gets more criticism than Mao, Stalin, Saddam or every despot ever did.

    The education process in the United States has failed its people to an alarming degree.
    True, but the indoctrination and brainwashing process is highly refined and goes on 24/7, very successfully.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like you didn't watch the link. It is actual footage from the Iran-Contra hearings. This isn't from the left at all. It's from actual proceedings. DUH......
    I suppose you're joking now. I know it's from Iran/Contra, you know it's from Iran/Contra. You win. The US is evil and kills pregnant women and babies.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    True, but the indoctrination and brainwashing process is highly refined and goes on 24/7, very successfully.
    It certainly does, but many obviously don't see it, know about it or understand it. It doesn't have to be all that refined though.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look at you whine. Obama gets his ass kicked here everyday, and all you could mention is Bush. Who knows how many times it will take to sink in for you, I've made it abundantly clear that as an American, I'm concerned with what my money and representatives are doing around the world. It's for the citizens of Russia and China to deal with their leadership about what they are up to abroad. Our measuring stick is our constitution. And when we have a president circumventing congress to sell arms to our "enemy" or a president circumventing congress to supply arms to terrorist organisations, our constitution is being stepped on (not to mention IL) and our image is diminished, and of course human rights are violated, people suffer and die.
    I get it, I really do.

    During WWII you would have been critical of FDR and silent on Hitler and Mussolini. It's very clear that you can only criticize Americans and their leaders. No need to explain your position further.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I suppose you're joking now. I know it's from Iran/Contra, you know it's from Iran/Contra. You win. The US is evil and kills pregnant women and babies.
    We don't, but have supported dictators who did that. And THIS is what separates us from Russia and China---> We the people do have the power to stop this kind of immoral behavior by the government. America IS We the People.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We don't, but have supported dictators who did that. And THIS is what separates us from Russia and China---> We the people do have the power to stop this kind of immoral behavior by the government. America IS We the People.
    Which dictator was the USA supporting which led to these hearings?

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It certainly does, but many obviously don't see it, know about it or understand it. It doesn't have to be all that refined though.
    Considering that Edward Bernays was hired by Woodrow Wilson POTUS for the purpose of "public relations" to make the case for US entry into WWI, the general practice has been employed for more than a century.

    Safe bet it's pretty darn refined. Bernays did not have the TV to work with, and the human tendency towards being mesmerized by that tube.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I get it, I really do.

    During WWII you would have been critical of FDR and silent on Hitler and Mussolini. It's very clear that you can only criticize Americans and their leaders. No need to explain your position further.
    It's very clear, yes. That as an American with skin in the game, I critique American policies. It's easy to criticise Russia and China and we could do it all day every day and likely not run out of material. But holding your own accountable takes grown ups.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Considering that Edward Bernays was hired by Woodrow Wilson POTUS for the purpose of "public relations" to make the case for US entry into WWI, the general practice has been employed for more than a century.

    Safe bet it's pretty darn refined. Bernays did not have the TV to work with, and the human tendency towards being mesmerized by that tube.
    For whatever reason, I find that the majority are unable to accept this. It's the same on a personal level. Easy to point the finger at the other guy and expose his sins, but self examination comes much harder. Easy for the bad ass, patronising and patriotic American to criticise Egypt, China, Russia, etc. but accepting responsibility (or even acknowledging) for Americas crimes against humanity is like pulling hens teeth.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Americans seem to have some sort of political myopia, especially as to the 2 party system. But it stumbles along.

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