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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Collectively the Russians and the Chinese murdered 100,000,000 people.
    Does that give us the right to also murder people? I don't give a **** about Russia or China. I am an American, and I expect my government to act like an American government, not a Russian or Chinese one.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Largely because it lacks perspective and misses the big picture. How much time have you spent exposing China or Russia's 'wrongdoings', or what the Americans, or the people subject to the Communists, were up against?

    When it's all one-sided, as is taught in many American schools, you're more likely to have a one-sided opinion, like American supporting "Death Squads". Is that really the America you know and understand, or is it more likely you were taught a bunch of leftist crap during your formative years??
    Ahhh...the big picture.

    The old 'the ends justify the means'...the Neocon credo.

    Yes...Gitmo, torture, rendition, double tap drone strikes, propping up corrupt regimes, etc....the ends justify the means.

    Neocon policies and justifications make me sick...it is the policy of bullying and cowardice.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Ahhh...the big picture.

    The old 'the ends justify the means'...the Neocon credo.

    Yes...Gitmo, torture, rendition, double tap drone strikes, propping up corrupt regimes, etc....the ends justify the means.

    Neocon policies and justifications make me sick...it is the policy of bullying and cowardice.
    Let us not forget that Irving Kristol, the Godfather of Neoconservatism, was once a card carrying member of the Communist party..... Which perfectly explains where Neocons got their "ends justify the means" attitude from. Karl Marx wrote it.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    With respect, unless you personally know them very well, you have no idea what he/she does or does not know about Central America and you shouldn't pretend that you do.


    Good day.
    I've spent the past 21 years mostly in Central America and have many friends there. I have personal experience and, because I'm interested, have discussed this many times with the people who lived during that period, or whose families did.

    If you believe your country is the bad guys in all of this I can't really change your mind.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Does that give us the right to also murder people? I don't give a **** about Russia or China. I am an American, and I expect my government to act like an American government, not a Russian or Chinese one.
    Yep, said the same many of times.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Largely because it lacks perspective and misses the big picture. How much time have you spent exposing China or Russia's 'wrongdoings', or what the Americans, or the people subject to the Communists, were up against?

    When it's all one-sided, as is taught in many American schools, you're more likely to have a one-sided opinion, like American supporting "Death Squads". Is that really the America you know and understand, or is it more likely you were taught a bunch of leftist crap during your formative years??
    How many times do I have to tell you that as an American, I'm concerned with American foreign policy, how my money and my representatives conduct business abroad, and how pursuit of "American interests" effects other human lives! Let the Chinese and Russians hold their respective governments accountable for their foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How many times do I have to tell you that as an American, I'm concerned with American foreign policy, how my money and my representatives conduct business abroad, and how pursuit of "American interests" effects other human lives! Let the Chinese and Russians hold their respective governments accountable for their foreign policy.
    Actually, American education left me largely with the opinion that you espouse, and informed my position and voting into my 40's. a little deeper digging and one finds that the US isn't always Reagan's shinning city on a hill, and that often times, in the pursuit of our "interests" abroad have been hugely injurious to other people's and democracies. The "rah rah America, gods gift to earth" crowd has the sophomoric education still entrenched in their heads and hearts.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, American education left me largely with the opinion that you espouse, and informed my position and voting into my 40's. a little deeper digging and one finds that the US isn't always Reagan's shinning city on a hill, and that often times, in the pursuit of our "interests" abroad have been hugely injurious to other people's and democracies. The "rah rah America, gods gift to earth" crowd has the sophomoric education still entrenched in their heads and hearts.
    Well with America's rapid decline they will no longer be much of a force for anything in the world, good or bad. We'll see how that works out.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How many times do I have to tell you that as an American, I'm concerned with American foreign policy, how my money and my representatives conduct business abroad, and how pursuit of "American interests" effects other human lives! Let the Chinese and Russians hold their respective governments accountable for their foreign policy.
    You may think you understand America's foreign policy but you certainly don't understand the foreign policy of other countries. Similarly, you have no idea what the Russian, Chinese or other groups elsewhere think. This is clear from your comments, and very common in America today. The Europeans have claimed it has always been this way but I doubt it was ever as bad as it is now..

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well with America's rapid decline they will no longer be much of a force for anything in the world, good or bad. We'll see how that works out.
    Having once been the worlds biggest creditor nation, and becoming the worlds largest debtor nation, is decline indeed. Having once had the best education system, that now ranks 10th or 12th, is decline indeed, granting amnesty to people who found their way into our country illegally, is decline to be sure, Obama administration foreign policy in the ME is decline certainly. But there are systemic problems that are driving this, not one party.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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