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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.
    I am afraid that if they go for Russia and China then they may have not learned from your failures at all
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

    These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

    One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.
    What happened was freedom. The people supported a revolution which replaced one tyrant with another. If thats what they want, then so be it. Its not the US responsibility to ensure the entire worlds natural rights.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point being, the US overthrew democratic governments in favor of dictators that were beneficial to the interests of US business, at the expense of Latin American citizens. This isn't a left right thing, its a right wrong thing, and the policy of denying communism a foothold had nothing to do with protecting the interests of Latin American citizens, but ensuring that it was US business that had exploitation rights.
    Which businesses in Latin America are you referring to?

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.
    The US did not enable any "Death Squads"! This is decades old leftist propaganda remnants from the Cold War. Do you understand that it was a Communist Regime the Contras were fighting against and that democracy came about as a result of their sacrifices and American leadership?

    Certainly there should come a time when Americans become sophisticated enough to understand the propaganda attacking their own country rather than continue to fall for it.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I am afraid that if they go for Russia and China then they may have not learned from your failures at all
    It's not the people's choice in Nicaragua, it's Daniel Ortega's. He was a Communist until Communism was defeated, then he became pro American and a free marketeer, and now that he's been elected he's back to being a Communist.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which businesses in Latin America are you referring to?
    One such example of US business exploitation of Latin America.


    During the 1950s, the United Fruit Company convinced the governments of U.S. Presidents Harry Truman (1945–53) and Dwight Eisenhower (1953–61) that the popular, elected government of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán of Guatemala was secretly pro–Soviet for having expropriated unused "fruit company lands" to landless peasants. In the Cold War (1945–91) context of the pro-active anti-communist politics exemplified by U. S. Senator Joseph McCarthy in the years 1947-1957, geo-political concerns about the "security" of the Western Hemisphere facilitated President Eisenhower's ordering and authorizing Operation Success, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (1954) by means of which the U.S. C.I.A. (Central Intelligence Agency) deposed the democratically elected government (1950–54) of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán and installed the pro-business government of Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas (1954–57), which lasted for three years until his assassination by a presidential guard.[2]

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    One such example of US business exploitation of Latin America.


    During the 1950s, the United Fruit Company convinced the governments of U.S. Presidents Harry Truman (1945–53) and Dwight Eisenhower (1953–61) that the popular, elected government of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán of Guatemala was secretly pro–Soviet for having expropriated unused "fruit company lands" to landless peasants. In the Cold War (1945–91) context of the pro-active anti-communist politics exemplified by U. S. Senator Joseph McCarthy in the years 1947-1957, geo-political concerns about the "security" of the Western Hemisphere facilitated President Eisenhower's ordering and authorizing Operation Success, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (1954) by means of which the U.S. C.I.A. (Central Intelligence Agency) deposed the democratically elected government (1950–54) of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán and installed the pro-business government of Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas (1954–57), which lasted for three years until his assassination by a presidential guard.[2]

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    I thought that would be it~back to the 50's!

    I've met many Leftists who come down there to complain about United Fruit, or its equivalent today.. One of them visited my place after investigating and when I asked what complaints there were he said that the roads to the plant were 'a little bumpy'

    In fact it is status to work for any foreign democracy-based company in Central America, right from Volvo to Intel to me. They get treated much better, generally, than working for the locals. This is largely true, i believe, throughout the third world.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    One - the scheme is still in the development stage.

    Two - this idea has been around for eons...America could have developed it if she had wanted to - but she didn't (for obvious reasons, she already has the Panama Canal).


    This is no threat to America at all.

    If the Russians were buying the Panama Canal - that would be different. But they aren't. They are just proposing to build another canal.

    A second canal would be great for world trade. Another route, competition (to bring the prices down) and so on.


    And what Nicaragua does within it's own borders is it's own business - not America's.


    One additional good thing about is it will REALLY piss off the hardline Neocons...I love pissing off hardline neocons.
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/nicaragua-...023933637.html

    This news is likely missing from your MSM, but you're probably up-to-date on the hi-jinks Hollywood celebrities are up to.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not the people's choice in Nicaragua, it's Daniel Ortega's. He was a Communist until Communism was defeated, then he became pro American and a free marketeer, and now that he's been elected he's back to being a Communist.
    At least the death squads were Nicaraguan's themselves back at those days. If they lean with Russia and China the death squads would be from Russia and China instead.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I thought that would be it~back to the 50's!

    I've met many Leftists who come down there to complain about United Fruit, or its equivalent today.. One of them visited my place after investigating and when I asked what complaints there were he said that the roads to the plant were 'a little bumpy'

    In fact it is status to work for any foreign democracy-based company in Central America, right from Volvo to Intel to me. They get treated much better, generally, than working for the locals. This is largely true, i believe, throughout the third world.
    It's not just the 50's. a century of documented exploitation injurious to Latin America, against your word, that their only complaints are bumpy roads. Ok I'm laughing a little bit now.
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