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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Both China and Russia are taking as many bold leaps as possible before time runs out, and the United States gets a real president again.

    Obama is either a spineless, clueless child, or this is his preferred outcome.
    Unfortunately, the problem is not confined to a single Administration. If it were, prospects for a rapid fix for American foreign policy would be strong. Instead, one has seen several "new era" assumptions in recent years:

    1. U.S. unipolarity
    2. Rules trump everything else
    3. All peoples and societies yearn for democracy

    All of those assumptions have created a degree of blindness. The first breeds complacency and a lack of perceived need to understand other countries' interests or consider the overall balance of power. The second ignores geopolitical considerations e.g., the notion that geopolitics can bring opportunities and challenges/advantages and disadvantages. The third oversimplifies the causes of internal unrest.

    As a result, activities by the Russia and China, among other nations, aimed at furthering their critical interests and long-term ambitions, the impact of such policies on the the regional and global balance of power, and how such states have leveraged what they perceive to be an advantageous balance of power (e.g., Russia's rapid exploitation of Ukraine's political unrest to gain control of Crimea and annex it) have allowed them to fly under the proverbial U.S. policy radar. That the decline in central authority in parts of the Mideast have witnessed a reanimation of bitter sectarian rivalries that the U.S. mistakenly interpreted as democratic uprisings (hence the misplaced term "Arab Spring") have led to surprise and disappointment as democratic gains failed to materialize and terrorist groups e.g.., ISIS, exploited evolving power vacuums.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    The Russo and Chinese investments in Latin and South America look like the results of a "Who do you trust," pragmatism by the various local gov'ts. a.k.a. "Banana Republics!" Death Squads! School of the Americas! Military Dictatorshipa! Allende! Pinochet! Noriega! Trujillo! Panama CIA Banks! Cocaine! Arbenz! USA Corporate Control of Central American governments! I think it is a case of "anything has to be better than USA Corporate dominance." The USA has been the truly evil presence in most of this area and any alternative option is better.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Both China and Russia are taking as many bold leaps as possible before time runs out, and the United States gets a real president again.

    Obama is either a spineless, clueless child, or this is his preferred outcome.
    Right!! You think that there's something that an American president could or should do to prevent a sovereign country from engaging in commerce with Russia and China??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As far back as one can see.
    I was hoping to start a chain on the Billy Joel song...c'est la gare.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I was hoping to start a chain on the Billy Joel song...c'est la gare.
    Yeah. He doesn't sing about things way back. Sort of as if history kind of started sometime. But it is one of the better songs around.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right!! You think that there's something that an American president could or should do to prevent a sovereign country from engaging in commerce with Russia and China??
    Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

    These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

    One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

    These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

    One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.
    The US honors "global law", care to answer the question though?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Did Nicaragua invite Russia and China? If so, then that is Nicaragua's business. And, after what we did, supporting the death squads there, do you blame Nicaragua? Ron Paul called it "blowback". Bad foreign policy eventually comes back to roost.
    But Nicaragua cannot expect anything better from Russia and China neither.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    But Nicaragua cannot expect anything better from Russia and China neither.
    That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.
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    Re: Russia and China Move Into Central America

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The Russo and Chinese investments in Latin and South America look like the results of a "Who do you trust," pragmatism by the various local gov'ts. a.k.a. "Banana Republics!" Death Squads! School of the Americas! Military Dictatorshipa! Allende! Pinochet! Noriega! Trujillo! Panama CIA Banks! Cocaine! Arbenz! USA Corporate Control of Central American governments! I think it is a case of "anything has to be better than USA Corporate dominance." The USA has been the truly evil presence in most of this area and any alternative option is better.
    If this is truly the belief in south American then I think they will deeply be disappointed and will regret it bad eventually. I think it is sad that USA may have played so bad with them and that they are not switching to Russia and China. But if Nicaragua dislikes death squads and dictators then Russia and China are the inventors of such concepts and far more experienced than USA can ever be.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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