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Town's White Police Official Calls Obama N-Word [W:301]

votemout said:
nope.
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Okay, enough of this, onto the topic....please.
 
Grant said:
So the modern day world uses 'the N word' instead of nigger? I don't see much advancement there. The man didn't call him 'the N word', so let's start telling it like it is.
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You'll see very few media stories where they use the fully spelled racial slur.

And, that's telling it like it is.

From the OP;

Town resident Jane O'Toole, who moved to Wolfeboro four months ago, said she overheard Copeland say the slur at a restaurant in March and wrote to the town manager about it. Copeland, in an email to her, acknowledged using the slur in referring to the president and said he will not apologize.

"I believe I did use the 'N' word in reference to the current occupant of the Whitehouse," Copeland said in the email to his fellow police commissioners, part of which he forwarded to O'Toole. "For this, I do not apologize — he meets and exceeds my criteria for such."
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Since you know what the N word means.

In Copeland's own words. Notice he didn't say the racial slur in public, but admitted in a email to Janet O'Toole that he did.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
No, most white Americans have not gotten away from "that kind of thing". In fact, one of the great lies told by white people on the left is that racism is just a problem in the South or on the right. The fact that the VAST MAJORITY of white Americans are still racist, not because they are bad people who hate blacks or Asians, but because they were raised in a society filled with racism that they could not help but be conditioned in such a way. This, again, is why so many white Americans - including liberals and progressives - tell racist jokes, minimize racism, deny white privilege, avoid black people, dismiss nonwhite criticism as "politically correct" and so on. Now, there are some white Americans who are working to improve themselves and, indeed, get away from this modern sort of racism, but they are few and far between.
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Y'know, you really should learn to be careful to not make sweeping broad-brush judgments - because when you do so, all too often you're condemning the good with the bad. Anyone who's ever been wrongfully accused should understand the danger of making broad-brush accusations.

There's no other whites here who have as deep an experience of racism or the journey therefrom as I do. Read that, and understand that I hate racism as much as any white man can. I can't pretend for a moment that I've walked a mile in your moccasins, but I do my level best to understand, to help heal, to keep people from sliding back into that abyss of racism that I was so close to in my youth.

Now you're right to an extent about the conditioning of people to be racist simply by the way they were raised...but you're not giving credit to the significant majority of whites who are earnestly trying (with varying levels of success) to overcome their conditioning. And here's something else - have you considered the possibility that there are "good racists"? The very phrase sounds perverse, doesn't it? But here's something else I wrote almost four years ago:

...my mother is not evil. She’s got a heart of gold. I’ve seen her happily give bushels of food from our garden to blacks who couldn’t afford a trip down to the local Piggly-Wiggly supermarket. She was eager to talk with our almost completely-black clientele at the used clothing store we used to have in a small town eight miles down the road, and more than once gave away merchandise to those in greatest need. She trusts her daily life to the black caregivers that drop by to bathe and clean her. She knows that she is not racist…in her own opinion. By today’s standards she certainly is racist, but by her own standards, she’s not racist at all.

Was she a bad person? No. She was racist by your standards and mine, but pay attention to that last line - she was trying the best she knew how to be a good person. She's one of the "good racists" I write about, like the men in my family who would risk their lives without a second thought to save a black man...but as soon as that black man was out of earshot, out would come all the n-word jokes and assumptions.

It takes time, guy. I know you may very well have experiences that would make you want to hate whites - and having seen and done the things that I have, I couldn't blame you. But hopefully, you can take the words I'm giving you to help you to want to hate so much, because that hate will eat away at your gut and affect everything you do in your life. Understand that while there are still so many white Americans that are racist, most white Americans are trying their level best to not be racist. Will we as a whole become "not racist" in this generation? Of course not. But with each generation, we will become less and less racist. It takes more time and patience than you and I will have in our lifetimes, but that time will come. Have faith, and do not hate.
 
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Lets hang every person in the country that used the N word. Oh, wait. That would be millions of blacks too.
 
AJiveMan said:
You'll see very few media stories where they use the fully spelled racial slur.

And, that's telling it like it is.

From the OP; Since you know what the N word means.

In Copeland's own words. Notice he didn't say the racial slur in public, but admitted in a email to Janet O'Toole that he did.
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We are having to speak in code now, which I find a little silly. It would embarrass me to use 'the N word' as much as 'nigger' though, apart from occasions like this, I never use either.

Also the fuss about what an 82 year old man says in an email is over the top as well. It was a slur against BHO, which doesn't make him a racist, only an angry old man who doesn't like Obama and will insult him the best way he knows how.
 
Grant said:
Also the fuss about what an 82 year old man says in an email is over the top as well. It was a slur against BHO, which doesn't make him a racist, only an angry old man who doesn't like Obama and will insult him the best way he knows how.
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There is no reason for the fuss, unless you are CNN and have a basic inability to find and report on meaningful news. Then you have to systematically hunt for every example of rascist behavior to have something to write about.

"82 year old man", "single use" and "private conversation" would tell anybody but CNN that the story is not worth reporting. Heck, there are what, 300 million people in this country? I wonder what Louis Farrakhan has said about Jews and Mexicans lately?
 
Grant said:
We are having to speak in code now, which I find a little silly. It would embarrass me to use 'the N word' as much as 'nigger' though, apart from occasions like this, I never use either.

Also the fuss about what an 82 year old man says in an email is over the top as well. It was a slur against BHO, which doesn't make him a racist, only an angry old man who doesn't like Obama and will insult him the best way he knows how.
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The ONLY way he knows how prolly. Oh BTW, 82 is older than dirt, they need some newer blood running that PD.
 
Cryptic said:
There is no reason for the fuss, unless you are CNN and have a basic inability to find and report on meaningful news. Then you have to systematically hunt for every example of rascist behavior to have something to write about.

"82 year old man", "single use" and "private conversation" would tell anybody but CNN that the story is not worth reporting. Heck, there are what, 300 million people in this country? I wonder what Louis Farrakhan has said about Jews and Mexicans lately?
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It was obviously a slow news day at CNN, which is really every day over there.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
No, that is not subjective. I don't know if you are aware of how academic research works, but people who sit on all "sides of the fence" use the same standards of research which is why, in academia, people of all political, religious, racial, economic and other backgrounds can respect each others' work.
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You keep thinking that.
 
Note: it's OK on the right to say "N*gger."


I really don't think that the right is racist, but you guys need to pick different people to stick up for. Bundy, Sterling, this guy...seriously....
 
Are you saying anecdotal evidence is more dependable than well constructed studies?
ChezC3 said:
OH, I know... lies, damn lies, and statistics just blow personal experience right out the water...:roll:
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Grant said:
Would this be news if he was an 82 year old Black man?
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I don't know. Reverend Al sometimes sticks his foot in it with comments about conservatives. I've watched the Reverend on MSBSN before, and I liked watching him look kind of foolish, kinda like Rachel does every night.
 
AJiveMan said:
Racist cop no, racist police chief? I haven't heard of any, but I have watched Mississippi Burning and one other flick in which cops were blatantly racists, and I've seen the Rodney King beating over and over.

Weird you'd bring up OJ, the cops basically bungled that investigation from the start, entering and stepping on evidence and spreading it all over the home lie manure.

Here, we're talking about a police chief with an open mouth and a shallow mind.
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Well, I mean I don't know your age but if you were of the age to pay attention to that trial you'd remember the name Mark Fuhrman.

It isn't difficult to see how that fit in, whether a its a Chief, or a detective, or a daisy fresh rookie. You said you were amazed, or in awe, or something like that, like this was a totally new concept.

It isn't.
 
Grant said:
It was obviously a slow news day at CNN, which is really every day over there.
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And they will milk it for days on their live show. The owner of a produce store that I shopped at once told me he does not like black americans or Mexicans as in his view, they are all "retarded", "violent" and "let their children run wild"

I guess I could turn him into CNN. But wait, he is not a white and presumably christian guy with a bad attitude that can by hyped and then hyped again. Rather he is muslim of Pakistani background. Thus, CNN would have no interest in the "news".
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know, you really should learn to be careful to not make sweeping broad-brush judgments - because when you do so, all too often you're condemning the good with the bad.
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I'm not making "sweeping judgments". I'm making statements based on conclusions drawn from extensive research.

Anyone who's ever been wrongfully accused should understand the danger of making broad-brush accusations.
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I've been wrongfully accused and there was nothing dangerous about it.

There's no other whites here who have as deep an experience of racism or the journey therefrom as I do. Read that, and understand that I hate racism as much as any white man can. I can't pretend for a moment that I've walked a mile in your moccasins, but I do my level best to understand, to help heal, to keep people from sliding back into that abyss of racism that I was so close to in my youth.

Now you're right to an extent about the conditioning of people to be racist simply by the way they were raised...but you're not giving credit to the significant majority of whites who are earnestly trying (with varying levels of success) to overcome their conditioning. And here's something else - have you considered the possibility that there are "good racists"? The very phrase sounds perverse, doesn't it? But here's something else I wrote almost four years ago:

...my mother is not evil. She’s got a heart of gold. I’ve seen her happily give bushels of food from our garden to blacks who couldn’t afford a trip down to the local Piggly-Wiggly supermarket. She was eager to talk with our almost completely-black clientele at the used clothing store we used to have in a small town eight miles down the road, and more than once gave away merchandise to those in greatest need. She trusts her daily life to the black caregivers that drop by to bathe and clean her. She knows that she is not racist…in her own opinion. By today’s standards she certainly is racist, but by her own standards, she’s not racist at all.

Was she a bad person? No. She was racist by your standards and mine, but pay attention to that last line - she was trying the best she knew how to be a good person. She's one of the "good racists" I write about, like the men in my family who would risk their lives without a second thought to save a black man...but as soon as that black man was out of earshot, out would come all the n-word jokes and assumptions.

It takes time, guy. I know you may very well have experiences that would make you want to hate whites - and having seen and done the things that I have, I couldn't blame you. But hopefully, you can take the words I'm giving you to help you to want to hate so much, because that hate will eat away at your gut and affect everything you do in your life. Understand that while there are still so many white Americans that are racist, most white Americans are trying their level best to not be racist. Will we as a whole become "not racist" in this generation? Of course not. But with each generation, we will become less and less racist. It takes more time and patience than you and I will have in our lifetimes, but that time will come. Have faith, and do not hate.
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While I appreciate you trying to explain racism to me, I'm not interested in your explanation because as I've said, I've already done the research. And when I say "research", I don't mean reading random internet posts from well-meaning white progressives trying to prove that they're "good guys". I'm referring to reading an extensive amount of sociological, anthropological, legal and other forms of academic research on race and racism - research that I consider a bit more credible than your post.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I don't know. Reverend Al sometimes sticks his foot in it with comments about conservatives. I've watched the Reverend on MSBSN before, and I liked watching him look kind of foolish, kinda like Rachel does every night.
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It seems to me to be a stupid word to use and I don't care if it's this guy or Samuel L Jackson.
 
mak2 said:
Are you saying anecdotal evidence is more dependable than well constructed studies?
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In some cases, yes, I am saying that.
 
You'll never eliminate racism in its entirety, so it's stupid to try. Getting rid of institutional racism is fine.

Life would be boring without whites telling minority jokes and ghetto barber shop conversations being politically correct.
 
rocket88 said:
Note: it's OK on the right to say "N*gger."


I really don't think that the right is racist, but you guys need to pick different people to stick up for. Bundy, Sterling, this guy...seriously....
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It's certainly ok on the Left to say, "redneck, white trash, Uncle Tom, race-traitor, honkey, cracker and whitey".
 
AJiveMan said:
I don't know. Reverend Al sometimes sticks his foot in it with comments about conservatives. I've watched the Reverend on MSBSN before, and I liked watching him look kind of foolish, kinda like Rachel does every night.
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He referred to Jews as, "diamond merchants". But, you are willing to give him a free pass, because he's black and Liberal.
 
ChezC3 said:
You keep thinking that.
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It's not something that I "think". It's something that exists and that I've seen work in action. Have you ever spent any time among academics of diverse races, politics and religions? It sounds like you haven't and that would explain your perspective a lot more. In any case, I would recommend it if you ever have the opportunity.
 
Which cases? Not to pick on you but your view is very common on the right (my experience). I almost never hear it on the left. Does that mean the right is less sophisticated and does not understand science?
ChezC3 said:
In some cases, yes, I am saying that.
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