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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yeah, it's a bitch when you have NOTHING to refute my claim.
    The funny thing is you are linking to a year old report that was not privy to the FOIA in an effort to deny what the FOIA documents clearly show.

    I suppose USAToday should have done some real journalism and filed their own FOIA....

    You earn a few points for not using a MoveOn or MediaMatters source, though.
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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Read the following news article from USA Today and give me your opinion.

    Transcripts show IRS agents in Cincinnati -- not Washington -- flagged Tea Party cases

    VA Scandal You bet, but it's been that way for a long time.
    Your typical strawman attempt....

    Who cares who actually "flagged" the cases. What matters is how they were handled after they were brought to the attention of Washington:

    From your outdated, year old USA Today article:

    Hofacre, who had been working on tax-exempt determinations in Cincinnati for 11 years, said the way the IRS handled Tea Party cases was unprecedented. She said she was "micromanaged to death" by an IRS lawyer who worked in Washington. Every piece of correspondence had to be reviewed by Washington. She was asked to fax entire case files to Washington. "I thought it was ridiculous. I mean, I don't understand why they didn't just take the files up (to Washington)," she told the Oversight Committee staffers.
    In July 2010, the IRS developed what was called a BOLO list for "be on the lookout." It instructed agents to send Hofacre applications from "organizations involved with the Tea Party movement." Investigators have not yet established who created or authorized that list; such lists did not exist before 2010.

    She told congressional investigators that she understood the purpose of the list was to target conservative and Republican groups. "A lot of the platforms in the Tea Party are similar to that of Republican groups." she said.

    Other political groups did not get handled the same way, Hofacre said. "I did see some with progressive issues. And I sent them back to the specialist and said they needed to develop the case," she said. "I was tasked to do Tea Parties, and I wasn't I wasn't equipped or set up to do anything else."

    That meant that other political groups were approved routinely. A USA TODAY review of tax exemptions granted at the time shows dozens of liberal groups got tax exemptions while Tea Party groups were on hold.

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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Your typical strawman attempt....

    Who cares who actually "flagged" the cases. What matters is how they were handled after they were brought to the attention of Washington:

    From your outdated, year old USA Today article:
    Your OP implies the targeting was started by Washington, and possibly under the direction of President Obama. This report tears that notion to shreds. Also see post 47:

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=1063286841


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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Your OP implies the targeting was started by Washington, and possibly under the direction of President Obama. This report tears that notion to shreds. Also see post 47:

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?p=1063286841
    Reading comprehension is helpful in understanding the written word, you should try it sometime.

    The OP says: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting.

    period.

    Maybe you could point out where it claims the targeting was "started by Washington" ??? or "possibly under the direction of President Obama". You are making things up. As you get shriller and shriller in your pitiful attempt in justifying the IRS, you are making yourself look more and more foolish.

    I see you refused to even comment on the quotes from YOUR out of date year old USA Today article. You paste the link at least a half dozen times, yet it looks like you didn't even read it since it destroys your own excuses for this despicable action by the IRS.

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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Reading comprehension is helpful in understanding the written word, you should try it sometime.

    The OP says: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting.

    period.

    Maybe you could point out where it claims the targeting was "started by Washington" ??? or "possibly under the direction of President Obama". You are making things up. As you get shriller and shriller in your pitiful attempt in justifying the IRS, you are making yourself look more and more foolish.

    I see you refused to even comment on the quotes from YOUR out of date year old USA Today article. You paste the link at least a half dozen times, yet it looks like you didn't even read it since it destroys your own excuses for this despicable action by the IRS.
    I am sorry, thought you knew the headquarters (HQ) for the IRS is in Washington, DC. I'll try not to make that mistake again. That article from USA Today is not out of date. If you got past the date, which I suspect you didn't, you would know it based upon the testimony from Darrell Issa's House Oversight Committee of IRS personnel from Cincinnati.


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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am sorry, thought you knew the headquarters (HQ) for the IRS is in Washington, DC. I'll try not to make that mistake again. That article from USA Today is not out of date. If you got past the date, which I suspect you didn't, you would know it based upon the testimony from Darrell Issa's House Oversight Committee of IRS personnel from Cincinnati.
    I'm sorry, I thought you knew the difference in the words "controlled" and "started". Evidently not.

    Since I quoted two paragraphs from your year old out of date USA article, it is evident that I did read it. It's also evident that you refuse to address the quotes from YOUR article because they blow your allegations out of the water.

    Sucks when your own link disproves your claims doesn't it?

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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought you knew the difference in the words "controlled" and "started". Evidently not.

    Since I quoted two paragraphs from your year old out of date USA article, it is evident that I did read it. It's also evident that you refuse to address the quotes from YOUR article because they blow your allegations out of the water.

    Sucks when your own link disproves your claims doesn't it?


    They didn't blow anything away, you took those paragraphs out of context:

    The Tea Party affair started with a Feb. 25, 2010 e-mail from Cincinnati-based IRS agent Jack Koester to his boss, Screening Group Manager John Shafer. Shafer, in turn, sent it to his superiors, including some Washington staff, elevating it as a "high profile case."

    The Cincinnati employees weren't quite sure what the Tea Party was, but they knew it was politically sensitive. "This case will be sent to inventory for further development. Political campaigns on behalf (of) or in opposition to any political candidate do not promote social welfare," Shafer wrote to his bosses. The Tea Party groups were seeking tax exempt status as "social welfare" groups.

    A few days later, Shafer came back to Muthert asking him to look up how many Tea Party cases had been received, and how many had already been approved. "He told me that Washington, D.C wanted some cases," Muthert said, according tot he transcripts.

    Shafer, though, told congressional investigators that he asked for the list on his own -- not on orders from Washington. "No one said to make a search," he said.

    "Based on what I saw at the time, this organization is something I don't know what it is, but it is something that appears to be growing, some type of movement," Muthert said. "So when I was asked to research the Tea Parties, it was like OK, I understand why you would want me to look at these cases and see if there is going to be a million coming in or not."

    Muthert began flagging the Tea Party cases as an "emerging issue," meaning that the cases might raise new legal issues that should be looked at by tax law specialists. In effect, that meant that the Tea Party cases were put in a "holding pattern," Muthert said.

    Elizabeth Hofacre, the Cincinnati coordinator for emerging issues, put it another way: "These cases were basically in a black hole," she told internal IRS reviewers in 2012.

    Hofacre, who had been working on tax-exempt determinations in Cincinnati for 11 years, said the way the IRS handled Tea Party cases was unprecedented. She said she was "micromanaged to death" by an IRS lawyer who worked in Washington. Every piece of correspondence had to be reviewed by Washington. She was asked to fax entire case files to Washington. "I thought it was ridiculous. I mean, I don't understand why they didn't just take the files up (to Washington)," she told the Oversight Committee staffers.


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