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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

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    The following USA Today article from June 11, 2013 shows President Obama was correct when he told Bill O'Reilly on Super Bowl Sunday that there was not a "smidgen" of corruption. READ IT!

    Transcripts show IRS agents in Cincinnati -- not Washington -- flagged Tea Party cases

    ...The Tea Party affair started with a Feb. 25, 2010 e-mail (see below) from Cincinnati-based IRS agent Jack Koester to his boss, Screening Group Manager John Shafer. Shafer, in turn, sent it to his superiors, including some Washington staff, elevating it as a "high profile case."

    The Cincinnati employees weren't quite sure what the Tea Party was, but they knew it was politically sensitive. "This case will be sent to inventory for further development. Political campaigns on behalf (of) or in opposition to any political candidate do not promote social welfare," Shafer wrote to his bosses. The Tea Party groups were seeking tax exempt status as "social welfare" groups.

    A few days later, Shafer came back to Muthert asking him to look up how many Tea Party cases had been received, and how many had already been approved. "He told me that Washington, D.C wanted some cases," Muthert said, according tot he transcripts.

    Shafer, though, told congressional investigators that he asked for the list on his own -- not on orders from Washington. "No one said to make a search," he said.

    "Based on what I saw at the time, this organization is something — I don't know what it is, but it is something that appears to be growing, some type of movement," Muthert said. "So when I was asked to research the Tea Parties, it was like OK, I understand why you would want me to look at these cases and see if there is going to be a million coming in or not."...


    Pete ... just what are you attempting to show by the email reprint ?
    IOW ... What's your point?

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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

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    Pete ... just what are you attempting to show by the email reprint ?
    IOW ... What's your point?
    The point was that the OP indicated that the orders came from Washington, DC and possibly involving President Obama. That post shoots down that idea because of the email.


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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

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    She isn't employed by the IRS, that's the point. forgetaboutityournotinterestedinfactsonlybs.
    Yeah......lets look at all those facts you can't get around from an Exclusive. Uh oh.....look at all your article can't defend, deflect nor debunk.



    On May 21, 2013 the National Republican Senatorial Committee sent the IRS a Freedom of Information Act request asking for "any and all documents or records, including but not limited to electronic documents, e-mails, paper documents, photographs (electronic or hard copy), or audio files," related to correspondence from January 1, 2009 and May 21, 2013 between thirteen different Democrat members of Congress and top IRS officials. Those officials include former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman, former Commissioner Steven Miller, senior IRS official Joseph Grant and former head of tax exempt groups Lois Lerner. Members of Congress named in the request include Sen. Schumer (D-NY), Sen. Reid (D-NV), DSCC Chair Sen. Bennet (D-CO), Sen. Landrieu (D-LA), Sen. Pryor (D-AR), Sen. Hagan (D-NC), Sen. Begich (D-AK), Sen. Shaheen (D-NH), Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO), Sen. Franken (D-MN), Sen. Warner (D-VA), Rep. Braley and Rep. Peters (D-MI).


    Since that request was received by the IRS nearly one year ago, IRS Tax Law Specialists Robert Thomas and Denise Higley have asked for more time to fulfill the request six times.

    Earlier this week Judicial Watch released documents showing Democratic Michigan Senator Carl Levin was in contact with former Deputy IRS Commissioner Steven Miller repeatedly throughout 2012 and was working with the agency on how conservative groups, specifically those working against his reelection, could be targeted through IRS rules and regulations. Last month we learned the staff of Ranking Member of the House Oversight Committee Elijah Cummings had been in touch with the IRS about voter fraud prevention group True the Vote, despite direct denials from Cummings any contact with the IRS had ever occurred......snip~


    You might as well as Put a Yellow or Green Apple in Cummings Mouth.....their the best to Bake with. Remember now.....if you are bringing me his head. That's all I want and on the Silver platter. Although.....I will accept him revoking his US Citizenship.....and leaving for good. I would recommend Libya.....they will b needing some Crooked Politicians. Ala Democrat Style.
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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    She isn't employed by the IRS, that's the point. forgetaboutityournotinterestedinfactsonlybs.
    Oh, and you Mistook what they Meant by her being the IRS Attorney, not that she works for the IRS. Since she was the Legal Representing Attorney, representing 10 different groups. So again.....she had nothing from Cinci. Only from Washington DC.



    Cleta Mitchell to Newsmax: Holder Must 'Get Out of the Way' in IRS Probe

    The U.S. Justice Department "has so many conflicts" in the IRS scandal that the only way to investigate the agency properly for targeting conservative groups is through a special prosecutor, top Washington attorney Cleta Mitchell told Newsmax.

    "I just don't see how it's possible that they can conduct a proper investigation," Mitchell, who represented 10 groups were singled out for special screening in their applications for tax-exempt status, said in an exclusive interview. "It needs to be conducted and prosecuted by a special counsel.

    "It's high time the Justice Department did what it should do: get out of way — and [Attorney General] Eric Holder needs to appoint a special counsel."

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said on Friday that the Republican-controlled House would vote next Thursday on whether to ask Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service for singling out conservative, tea party and religious groups......snip~


    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Cleta Mitchell to Newsmax: Holder Must 'Get Out of the Way' in IRS Probe
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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah......lets look at all those facts you can't get around from an Exclusive. Uh oh.....look at all your article can't defend, deflect nor debunk.



    On May 21, 2013 the National Republican Senatorial Committee sent the IRS a Freedom of Information Act request asking for "any and all documents or records, including but not limited to electronic documents, e-mails, paper documents, photographs (electronic or hard copy), or audio files," related to correspondence from January 1, 2009 and May 21, 2013 between thirteen different Democrat members of Congress and top IRS officials. Those officials include former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman, former Commissioner Steven Miller, senior IRS official Joseph Grant and former head of tax exempt groups Lois Lerner. Members of Congress named in the request include Sen. Schumer (D-NY), Sen. Reid (D-NV), DSCC Chair Sen. Bennet (D-CO), Sen. Landrieu (D-LA), Sen. Pryor (D-AR), Sen. Hagan (D-NC), Sen. Begich (D-AK), Sen. Shaheen (D-NH), Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO), Sen. Franken (D-MN), Sen. Warner (D-VA), Rep. Braley and Rep. Peters (D-MI).


    Since that request was received by the IRS nearly one year ago, IRS Tax Law Specialists Robert Thomas and Denise Higley have asked for more time to fulfill the request six times.

    Earlier this week Judicial Watch released documents showing Democratic Michigan Senator Carl Levin was in contact with former Deputy IRS Commissioner Steven Miller repeatedly throughout 2012 and was working with the agency on how conservative groups, specifically those working against his reelection, could be targeted through IRS rules and regulations. Last month we learned the staff of Ranking Member of the House Oversight Committee Elijah Cummings had been in touch with the IRS about voter fraud prevention group True the Vote, despite direct denials from Cummings any contact with the IRS had ever occurred......snip~


    You might as well as Put a Yellow or Green Apple in Cummings Mouth.....their the best to Bake with. Remember now.....if you are bringing me his head. That's all I want and on the Silver platter. Although.....I will accept him revoking his US Citizenship.....and leaving for good. I would recommend Libya.....they will b needing some Crooked Politicians. Ala Democrat Style.
    Do you need help MMC? The targeting began in 2010 not 2012


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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you need help MMC? The targeting began in 2010 not 2012
    Nice Deflection PB.....but they don't need to go back to 2010 to Hook Up Levin. That goes to 2012.....now here is some more truth. Even though you wont like it.


    The scrutiny started in 2010 and continued to just before the 2012 presidential election. The Justice Department has been investigating the controversy, but no charges have been filed.....snip~


    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Cleta Mitchell to Newsmax: Holder Must 'Get Out of the Way' in IRS Probe



    Oh and there is no way for you get around Cummings Denials.....the MS Media already has how many times he said he never was.

    Now you were saying something about you needed more help?

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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Nice Deflection PB.....but they don't need to go back to 2010 to Hook Up Levin. That goes to 2012.....now here is some more truth. Even though you wont like it.


    The scrutiny started in 2010 and continued to just before the 2012 presidential election. The Justice Department has been investigating the controversy, but no charges have been filed.....snip~


    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Cleta Mitchell to Newsmax: Holder Must 'Get Out of the Way' in IRS Probe



    Oh and there is no way for you get around Cummings Denials.....the MS Media already has how many times he said he never was.

    Now you were saying something about you needed more help?
    I guess, I have to whip out the big kahuna here

    IRS, Sen. Carl Levin, And The Truth Behind Right-Wing Media's Latest Phony Conspiracy Theory | Research | Media Matters for America

    Right-wing media falsely claimed that newly released documents from Judicial Watch showed that Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) pressured the IRS to target conservative groups for additional scrutiny. Levin's letters simply show that he asked the IRS to hold both Democratic and Republican groups accountable to valid tax-exempt regulations, and he made his correspondence public record more than a year ago.

    Edit: Here is the link to Levin's website: http://www.levin.senate.gov/newsroom...-organizations
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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I guess, I have to whip out the big kahuna here

    IRS, Sen. Carl Levin, And The Truth Behind Right-Wing Media's Latest Phony Conspiracy Theory | Research | Media Matters for America

    Right-wing media falsely claimed that newly released documents from Judicial Watch showed that Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) pressured the IRS to target conservative groups for additional scrutiny. Levin's letters simply show that he asked the IRS to hold both Democratic and Republican groups accountable to valid tax-exempt regulations, and he made his correspondence public record more than a year ago.

    Edit: Here is the link to Levin's website: Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases


    First we can go back to January of this year.....2014 and Cleta Mitchell and the FBI. Now do take note she is an Officer of the Court and does have to conduct herself as so.


    Having represented dozens of groups before the IRS over the years, including many victimized by the IRS in this scandal, one might have thought the FBI might have called me or even one of my clients.

    But, to paraphrase the song, if our telephone ain’t ringin,’ I guess it must be the FBI “investigating” the IRS.

    Had the FBI bothered to contact or interview me, any of my clients, or anyone who actually could tell the FBI what the IRS did, we could have provided some specific facts about the IRS scandal.

    In short, how can there be any semblance of legitimacy to an investigation when none of the victims were even interviewed?

    And what crimes should have been on the radar screen of the FBI in a real investigation, in addition to lying to Congress? How about abuse of power and abuse of the public trust? What about honest services fraud?

    Those are some crimes that come to mind. I wonder if the Department of Justice will apply the same lax legal standards to its investigation of how Gov. Chris Christie's administration spent federal storm relief tax dollars?.....snip~

    What FBI 'investigation' of the IRS scandal? | WashingtonExaminer.com

    Oh and her Testimony.


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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I guess, I have to whip out the big kahuna here

    IRS, Sen. Carl Levin, And The Truth Behind Right-Wing Media's Latest Phony Conspiracy Theory | Research | Media Matters for America

    Right-wing media falsely claimed that newly released documents from Judicial Watch showed that Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) pressured the IRS to target conservative groups for additional scrutiny. Levin's letters simply show that he asked the IRS to hold both Democratic and Republican groups accountable to valid tax-exempt regulations, and he made his correspondence public record more than a year ago.

    Edit: Here is the link to Levin's website: Carl Levin - United States Senator for Michigan: Newsroom - Press Releases


    Well PB that was Levin's Senate Floor Statement.....now from the link I provided.


    Levin, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs’ permanent subcommittee on investigations, wrote a March 30, 2012 letter to then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman discussing the “urgency” of the issue of possible political activity by nonprofit applicants. Levin asked if the IRS was sending out additional information requests to applicant groups and citing an IRS rejection letter to a conservative group as an example of how the IRS should be conducting its business.

    A top IRS official replied that the agency could send out “individualized questions and requests.”

    “Some entities claiming tax-exempt status as social welfare organizations under 26 U.S.C.&501(c)(4) appear to be engaged in political activities more appropriate for political organizations claiming tax-exempt status under 26 U.S.C.&527,” Sen. Levin wrote. “Because of the urgency of the issues involved in this matter, please provide the following information by April 20, 2012.”

    Levin asked ”if it is not provided on a routine basis, approximately what percentage of such applicants receive an IRS questionnaire seeking information about any political activities, and how the IRS determines whether and when to send that questionnaire; and approximately how many days after an application is filed that questionnaire is typically sent.”

    Levin cited a 1997 IRS rejection letter to the conservative group National Policy Forum, formed by former Republican National Committee chairman Haley Barbour, and asked Shulman, “Is it still the position of the IRS that a 501(c)(4) organization cannot engage in any partisan political activity, even as a secondary activity?”

    As we’ve already told you, Levin wasn’t the only Democrat senator calling on the IRS to harass Tea Party groups. He was just one of the most shameless.....snip~
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    Re: Judicial Watch: New Documents Show IRS HQ Control of Tea Party Targeting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It is indeed a false scandal, the Right is trying say the targeting began in Washington, DC (implying it was Obama who started it), but as my post points out it began in Cincinnati. The right is lying to you. In the screen grab below, see that Media Matters caught Fox lying.



    Fox's "Fox Facts" on the Internal Revenue Service's (IRS) scrutiny of Tea Party groups applying for tax-exempt status get the facts exactly wrong.

    Judicial Watch released a batch of IRS email correspondence under a Freedom Of Information Act request on May 14. The emails include a chain of correspondence between the Cincinnati IRS office and the Washington, D.C. based office dating back to February 2010, when a Cincinnati IRS employee first flagged a Tea Party group seeking tax-exempt status for further review. The full email chain shows that the Washington, D.C. office's involvement was all in response to the initial inquiry from Cincinnati.

    Yet right-wing media latched onto a midsection of the email chain, from July 2010, to push the conspiracy theory that Washington directed inappropriate targeting of conservative groups.

    The falsehood made its way onto the May 16 edition of Fox News'America's Newsroom in an on-screen graphic presented as "Fox Facts." The on-screen "Fox Facts" falsely claimed that the emails newly revealed by Judicial Watch prove that the targeting of conservative groups stemmed from Washington, D.C. rather than Cincinnati:



    One, the point of where it STARTED is irrelevant and a straw man you have invented, and even if true in no way makes this a "false scandal."

    What proves it is not false in fact, are your own posts showing link after link where there was a corruption based, partisan effort to harass an established and legal political movement. Your own documents prove that fact.

    The fact the first memo IN EVIDENCE amid a massive scandal of cover up itself is proof of no more than a memo proving the harassment existed and thew claims of "not a smidgeon" yet another absolute lie to add to the growing an ubiquitous list from Obama's non stop pie hole.

    In future, I suggest you could save yourself a lot of embarrassment and your own party a lot of shame by reading the OP, making note of the pertinent details like how these documents show not everything is on the table, that Washington people knew more than was first claimed, and a memo clearly admitting the corruption ion no way exonerates anyone.

    The White House is involved in this. Does anyone think for a second that a go-for-the-jugular at all times political shark like Obama would NOT know his "enemies" are being targeted?

    Logic says otherwise, but then Amerikan Sozialists were never big on logic, why bother when lying has worked so well so far....?
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