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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Which isn't in her oath. You can't choose to become Robin Hood whenever you fancy it, as soon as you put on that uniform its game over for you. You are now a tool trained by the military, at the cost of the taxpayer and you WILL obey orders and follow your oath.
    It is in her oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Superiors who commit such crimes are enemies of the United States.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Which isn't in her oath. You can't choose to become Robin Hood whenever you fancy it, as soon as you put on that uniform its game over for you. You are now a tool trained by the military, at the cost of the taxpayer and you WILL obey orders and follow your oath.
    thanks for posting this point of view. one which would say to us that the subordinate troops under lt william calley at my lai were correct in following orders to slaughter the women and children of that vietnamese village. your point of view would tell us that it was Ron Ridenhour who was a traitor because he reported calley's wrongdoing. and just as your point of view would be wrong regarding calley, it is similarly wrong relative to manning. manning did the right thing in whistleblowing government wrongdoing, just as Ridenhour did in whistleblowing the my lai massacre

    now to the question at hand. all prisoners deserve essential medical attention. none should receive elective surgery
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for posting this point of view. one which would say to us that the subordinate troops under lt william calley at my lai were correct in following orders to slaughter the women and children of that vietnamese village. your point of view would tell us that it was Ron Ridenhour who was a traitor because he reported calley's wrongdoing. and just as your point of view would be wrong regarding calley, it is similarly wrong relative to manning. manning did the right thing in whistleblowing government wrongdoing, just as Ridenhour did in whistleblowing the my lai massacre

    now to the question at hand. all prisoners deserve essential medical attention. none should receive elective surgery
    Excellent points!

    BTW, again, although some here have stated otherwise, I have seen nothing that says she is have surgery. Also I think we need to see to the psychological needs of prisoners. It would be inhumane to do otherwise. And again, in this case, I think it's a fair question for debate what the nature of such treatment should be.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    manning is a he not a she!

    he stuck with being born male.
    Exactly. If people think having surgery and taking hormones makes someone a woman than they should see if you take a sample from the man made vagina they made and use it to grow a vagina. If it comes out to be a penis, I win. Of course, they could just argue they could grow a vagina and transplant it on the man, but then it's just a clone of another womans vagina. I would still win.
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Transfer the little traitor to one of the old time maxsec facilities - they'll make him a woman, no funding needed.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    If he would have actually looked at all the info he released I might feel differently about him being a traitor. But seeing as how he released some 700000 files there is no way he even knew the majority of what he was releasing. He was upset with they Army and depressed and was trying to punish the Army. Nothing more nothing less. He is a traitor not some hero.

    And as such he should receive zero special treatment.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    If he would have actually looked at all the info he released I might feel differently about him being a traitor. But seeing as how he released some 700000 files there is no way he even knew the majority of what he was releasing. He was upset with they Army and depressed and was trying to punish the Army. Nothing more nothing less. He is a traitor not some hero.

    And as such he should receive zero special treatment.
    I have to agree. Blindly releasing confidential and secret files does not make you a whistleblower, it makes you traitor.
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Exactly. If people think having surgery and taking hormones makes someone a woman than they should see if you take a sample from the man made vagina they made and use it to grow a vagina. If it comes out to be a penis, I win. Of course, they could just argue they could grow a vagina and transplant it on the man, but then it's just a clone of another womans vagina. I would still win.
    The concept of man and woman is a product of the ego and is a mental construct. I think that it's a valid topic of debate as to whether sexual reassignment surgery is moral, but I think, in practical terms, it's clear gender notions are based on mental constructs.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Transfer the little traitor to one of the old time maxsec facilities - they'll make him a woman, no funding needed.
    That is cruel.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    If he would have actually looked at all the info he released I might feel differently about him being a traitor. But seeing as how he released some 700000 files there is no way he even knew the majority of what he was releasing. He was upset with they Army and depressed and was trying to punish the Army. Nothing more nothing less. He is a traitor not some hero.

    And as such he should receive zero special treatment.
    Now that's an interesting argument. I had not thought about it like that. But let's assume that it is indeed true that she did not examine the material before releasing it, I still think that the underlying motivation was a revulsion at the atrocities that were being committed with taxpayer money and a desire to stop it. As such, I don't consider her a traitor.

    Do you have a reference that states that she did not examine the material?

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