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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

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    Maybe with a little luck, I will survive this grievous occurrence.
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Defense officials say the Pentagon is trying to transfer convicted national security leaker Pvt. Chelsea Manning to a civilian prison so that she can get treatment for her gender disorder.

    Read more here: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment




    Eventually this person will be freed from prison and will have to be re-integrated into society.

    My question is: how much (If anything.) do the rest of us owe this person? The treatment that this person will require will be pretty expensive, I'm sure.

    Who is going to pay those bills? Who should pay those bills?

    Any ideas?
    If Manning wants to be a female so badly then he can hang himself in his cell, crossing his fingers, hoping he is a female in the next life. The idea of tax money going towards any sort of treatment just to try and please someone who can't accept their gender is unbelievably asinine.
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    IIRC nobody knew about his transgender issues until he was on trial. He wasn't exactly popular before hand either.
    and wrong once again. but it's not like some folks need facts to form an opinion
    In November 2009 Manning wrote to a gender counselor in the United States, said she felt female, and discussed having sex reassignment surgery. The counselor told Steve Fishman of New York Magazine in 2011 that it was clear Manning was in crisis, partly because of her gender concerns, but also because she was opposed to the kind of war in which she found herself involved.
    [emphasis added by bubba to establish the timeline prior to the trial]
    How Bradley Manning Became One of the Most Unusual Revolutionaries in American History -- New York Magazine
    Chelsea Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Manning was arrested on May 27, 2010 ...
    per wiki [bubba's emphasis to show the date of chelsea manning's arrest - which preceded the trial and followed contact with the gender counselor]
    proving that somebody knew about her transgender issues prior to her trial
    and thus proving your statement to be wrong
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and wrong once again. but it's not like some folks need facts to form an opinion
    [emphasis added by bubba to establish the timeline prior to the trial]
    How Bradley Manning Became One of the Most Unusual Revolutionaries in American History -- New York Magazine
    Chelsea Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    per wiki [bubba's emphasis to show the date of chelsea manning's arrest - which preceded the trial and followed contact with the gender counselor]
    proving that somebody knew about her transgender issues prior to her trial
    and thus proving your statement to be wrong
    I meant in the public, detective columbo.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    If Manning wants to be a female so badly then he can hang himself in his cell, crossing his fingers, hoping he is a female in the next life.
    The idea of tax money going towards any sort of treatment just to try and please someone who can't accept their gender is unbelievably asinine.



    Maybe to you, but other people support it and whether you like it or not, it's happening.

    Deal with it.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    None of which will make "he" a "she".
    Meh, well, so, it's her life, she's gotta do the time first.

    Like the saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. She'll be a little more than a middle aged when she gets out, and I've seen some TGs that looked lovely at Club ICON performing standup gigs, not too bad. Maybe nothing posh like Vegas but not too bad.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    OK, I'm not going to try to prove that false. But what I will say is that gender is a mental construct. That is certain.
    Baloney. It is physical and mental. The physical part involves gender specific functional equipment that no surgeon can make synthetically or surgically.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't agree that it's treason.
    Does not matter. The fact is that it is treason.

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    Re: Pentagon pushes Manning transfer for gender treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Baloney. It is physical and mental. The physical part involves gender specific functional equipment that no surgeon can make synthetically or surgically.
    Salami. It's a mental construct, the surgery merely attempts to construct a body that is consistent with the mental state. And your notion can be proven false by noting that people who indeed have physical male parts report the experience of feeling as if they have female parts, or phantom sex organs. And if you want to say that is nonsense, it should be noted that people who have had limbs amputated have reported feeling as if the parts are there.

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