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Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

i just read it. It reads as it is. I was taught about this case way back when. Scotus refused to rule on what they deemed a political question where they ruled that the court has no jurisdiction, and that it lies with the legislative branch.

I didn't say whether i agree with it or not.


if you look at the structure of the federal government and how it is setup...you will see power in divided.......the people do not have all direct power.

A republican form of government employs only 1 element of democracy... The house...which is democratic....

The senate and the presidency, ....is not a democratic vote.
 
100% correct...no one should ever want democracy..because it is always at war with individual rights.

Democracy puts all direct power into the hands of the people.

A republic puts only 1/2 of direct power into the Hand's of the people, the other half is granted to the states...not the people

this divides power into 2 HALFS, and prevents 1 single entity from having all direct power and becoming a tyrant.

The tyrant in your accurate description is the Progressive movement in this country. Which, as you stated before, is where this practice of Direct Democracy at the state and local level originated and has built from there. Roosevelt fought for expansion of Direct Democracy to advance his agenda, and we're still paying for that today.

I find it ironic given the Progressive's recent uproar against what they as a movement fought, and in certain instances still fight, to expand. This thread topic is an example.
 
No. You don'tt believe in natural rights

The constitutional basis for the judge's ruling was equal protection under the law, not natural rights. It's a red herring both in the court case and in this thread. It has no bearing.
 
ah the games people play... First the constitutional amendment is a state one and can be negated by the federal court system. "the will of the people" is not a pact with bigotry. That 'will' must pass federal constitutional muster.

I believe 'we the people' can vote to make any law or definition- to include all muslims wear crescents on their clothes to all of german decent must pay a 1/3 of they income to the holocaust fund.

But i also believe the courts get to decide if such laws are acceptable in a nation with our constitution.


lol.......:lol:
 
1.)No, you misunderstand. Laws against SSM base their restrictions on gender, not orientation. Men are not allowed to marry men, and women are not allowed to marry women. No state has a law in place that I know of preventing gay people to get married. Using misleading terms leads to faulty arguments.

2.)It absolutely is a state issue. States have the right to regulate marriage. That is their right, and is part of the legal aspect of the cases. It is not the only part, but it is an important part.

1.) nothing is misunderstood i understood exactly what you are saying but the distinction unfortunately is still needed until equal rights is for all. Currently it has to have some type of identifyer but i agree it shouldnt needed it.

2.) again never said they had no right to regulate it :shrug: if you disagree qoute me saying otherwise. In fact i could find many posts where i say they can do some regulations as long as it doesnt violateidividiual rights.

and thats why this current issue and topic is factually not a state issue. Many of the judgments have even stated this because it violated rights(unconstitutional) therefore negating the states rights because states rights dont get to do that. (violate the constitution)

now as far as costs or papers needing signed etc THOSE are states issue and not the discussion here and nothign to do with what i actually said :shrug:
May statement has stated in content stands.
 
if you look at the structure of the federal government and how it is setup...you will see power in divided.......the people do not have all direct power.

A republican form of government employs only 1 element of democracy... The house...which is democratic....

The senate and the presidency, ....is not a democratic vote.

I have never agreed with the Senate being elected by popular vote.

The House is called the People's House for a reason. That is where the People are represented. The Senate was where the States were to be represented on the Federal level.

A division of power.
 
The constitutional basis for the judge's ruling was equal protection under the law, not natural rights. It's a red herring both in the court case and in this thread. It has no bearing.
Except the constitution is fundamentally a document about natural rights. Which is why there is conflict between left and right. Progressives conservatives, free market and socialist. One side sees rights as inalienable, the other as edicts granted. And that goes to the heart of this.
 
The tyrant in your accurate description is the Progressive movement in this country. Which, as you stated before, is where this practice of Direct Democracy at the state and local level originated and has built from there. Roosevelt fought for expansion of Direct Democracy to advance his agenda, and we're still paying for that today.

I find it ironic given the Progressive's recent uproar against what they as a movement fought, and in certain instances still fight, to expand. This thread topic is an example.

CORRECT.... THEY LOVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE AS MARX SAID.."IT IS THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM".....BUT WHEN THEY FIND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE GOES AGAINST THEM, THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

early progressives like Wilson was a racist who fired all blacks in the federal government, segregated the military again....

they believed in killing people who severe no function in life, and the mentally ill, and called for eugenics, and a superior race of people.
 
Except the constitution is fundamentally a document about natural rights. Which is why there is conflict between left and right. Progressives conservatives, free market and socialist. One side sees rights as inalienable, the other as edicts granted. And that goes to the heart of this.

What you're basically arguing is that if you can prove that a right isn't natural, then the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law is null and void. Have fun with that.
 
I have never agreed with the Senate being elected by popular vote.

The House is called the People's House for a reason. That is where the People are represented. The Senate was where the States were to be represented on the Federal level.

A division of power.

thank you...you are 1 of the few who understands..why power must be divided.
 
CORRECT.... THEY LOVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE AS MARX SAID.."IT IS THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM".....BUT WHEN THEY FIND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE GOES AGAINST THEM, THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

early progressives like Wilson was a racist who fired all blacks in the federal government, segregated the military again....

they believed in killing people who severe no function in life, and the mentally ill, and called for eugenics, and a superior race of people.

Learning the real purpose of their movement would be a bitch slap to most of them. But, their own movements history, purpose and ultimate impact on our country isn't the only thing most Progressive are clueless about.

But that's just my opinion.
 
1.) nothing is misunderstood i understood exactly what you are saying but the distinction unfortunately is still needed until equal rights is for all. Currently it has to have some type of identifyer but i agree it shouldnt needed it.

It does have an identifier, and one that accurately defines it: same sex marriage. That is what these laws ban, and that is what is being ruled in favor of.

2.) again never said they had no right to regulate it :shrug: if you disagree qoute me saying otherwise. In fact i could find many posts where i say they can do some regulations as long as it doesnt violateidividiual rights.

and thats why this current issue and topic is factually not a state issue. Many of the judgments have even stated this because it violated rights(unconstitutional) therefore negating the states rights because states rights dont get to do that. (violate the constitution)

now as far as costs or papers needing signed etc THOSE are states issue and not the discussion here and nothign to do with what i actually said :shrug:
May statement has stated in content stands.

Sating states can regulate it but it is not a state's issue is really silly. Have you ever bothered to ****ing read any of the rulings or arguments? At it's heart, the issue is states rights vs federal power of the constitution. You cannot take states rights out of it.
 
Learning the real purpose of their movement would be a bitch slap to most of them. But, their own movements history, purpose and ultimate impact on our country isn't the only thing most Progressive are clueless about.

But that's just my opinion.

when you confront them with early progressives who openly called for people to be killed....calling for it on film...they deny it and will not breech the subject anymore
 
Except the constitution is fundamentally a document about natural rights. Which is why there is conflict between left and right. Progressives conservatives, free market and socialist. One side sees rights as inalienable, the other as edicts granted. And that goes to the heart of this.

You really love to label people instead of arguing ideas.

Ummm...marriage is considered under the law of the US to be a "fundamental right". Nothing you are saying has anything to actually do with this case.
 
when you confront them with early progressives who openly called for people to be killed....calling for it on film...they deny it and will not breech the subject anymore

Propaganda was originally created and used by Wilson, as a way to mold public opinion through misinformation. Who is still an icon of the modern Progressive movement.
 
Here is a nice little summary of the ruling: Idaho same-sex marriage ban nullified : SCOTUSblog

Judge Dale’s ruling was the eleventh by a federal trial judge to nullify a state ban on same-sex marriage. And, like the others, she relied to a considerable degree on the reasoning of the Supreme Court last June in United States v. Windsor, striking down a part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
Although the Windsor decision did not spell out a specific constitutional test for judging laws that treat homosexuals less favorably, Judge Dale was required to treat that ruling as having imposed a stricter test on such laws. As a trial-level judge, she had to follow a January ruling by the Ninth Circuit interpreting the Windsor decision as embracing a “heightened scrutiny” constitutional standard for such cases. (Idaho is a part of the Ninth Circuit’s region.)
The Idaho judge used that test in finding a denial of equal protection for same-sex couples seeking to marry or to have their existing out-of-state marriages formally recognized by the state. But Judge Dale said the Idaho ban would have failed any constitutional test, because the state had not offered valid reasons to justify it.
 
Propaganda was originally created and used by Wilson, as a way to mold public opinion through misinformation. Who is still an icon of the modern Progressive movement.

yes, he was a tyrant, for locking people up in jail for just speaking out against WWI
 
CORRECT.... THEY LOVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE AS MARX SAID.."IT IS THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM".....BUT WHEN THEY FIND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE GOES AGAINST THEM, THEY HATE DEMOCRACY. early progressives like Wilson was a racist who fired all blacks in the federal government, segregated the military again.... they believed in killing people who severe no function in life, and the mentally ill, and called for eugenics, and a superior race of people.

Again kinda why we have a Constitution to keep an even ship of state when 'the will of the people' threaten to capsize it.

Now when it comes to killing folks with mental illness, 'no function in life', and feel a race is superior.... ummm I didn't realize the Nazis were democratic or for that matter socialists. Don't they hold the record for killing folks due to mental defect, sexual orientation, race and religion????

President Wilson may have thought white folks superior but I can't recall any 'T-4' program during his administration...
 
1.) It does have an identifier, and one that accurately defines it: same sex marriage. That is what these laws ban, and that is what is being ruled in favor of.



2.) stating states can regulate it but it is not a state's issue is really silly.
3.)Have you ever bothered to ****ing read any of the rulings or arguments? At it's heart, the issue is states rights vs federal power of the constitution.
4.) You cannot take states rights out of it.

1.) yes thats one used just as frequently as gay marriage :shrug:
I hope i see in my life time when its just called marriage

2.) nope its factual since there's CONTENT.
states can NOT regulate the topic of this thread which is banning gay marriage that as been found unconstitutional, therefor my statement is 100% true and factual.

3.) yep and have posted many here and they support me 100%, the state OVERSTEPPING its rights is what makes it unconstitutional because they had ZERO RIGHT too. "At the heart of it" it was found states had NO RIGHT. Maybe you should go back and read and understand it. Thanks for proving my point.
4.) correct "I" cant but the rulings do just that. They remove the states, they check the states from overstepping thier rights and thats exactly what the rulings are all about. :shrug:
They keep the state attending to things that actually are states rights issues and this fact is supported by the rulings.
 
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yes, he was a tyrant, for locking people up in jail for just speaking out against WWI

And Roosevelt, another Progressive icon, put US Citizens in concentration camps during WWII just for being of Japanese descent. Ordered that the FBI detain or imprison thousands of US Citizens for being of German descent.

Yep, great American Presidents... great Progressives.
 
again kinda why we have a constitution to keep an even ship of state when 'the will of the people' threaten to capsize it.

Now when it comes to killing folks with mental illness, 'no function in life', and feel a race is superior.... Ummm i didn't realize the nazis were democratic or for that matter socialists. Don't they hold the record for killing folks due to mental defect, sexual orientation, race and religion????

President wilson may have thought white folks superior but i can't recall any 't-4' program during his administration...




if you give 1 person all power...he will become a king, and a tyrant

if you give a few people all the power they will become and oligarchy, and rule the people like they are serfs

if you give the people all power , the 51% will control the 49% and rule over them taking away their rights......history has shown this to be true.

So you divide power into 2 half's, and no one has all the power to become a tyrant...because they don't have all power

everything i said is true about progressive in their early movement.
 
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And Roosevelt, another Progressive icon, put US Citizens in concentration camps during WWII just for being of Japanese descent. Ordered that the FBI detain or imprison thousands of US Citizens for being of German descent.

Yep, great American Presidents... great Progressives.

and took over state powers, and gave us unlimited government which is growing every day, and taking away rights of the people, because no power is left to stop them accept the court.

Madison stated the senate was the first bulwark against unconstitutional actions. and the court the second...the first is gone!
 
and took over state powers, and gave us unlimited government which is growing every day, and taking away rights of the people, because no power is left to stop them accept the court.

Madison stated the senate was the first bulwark against unconstitutional actions. and the court the second...the first is gone!

I blame the Republican Progressive from Kansas for it (Senator Joseph L. Bristow).

Him and another Progressive, William Randolph Hearst, for using his First Amendment power and his millions of dollars to publish fictional stories in major newspapers and magazines of how the Senate was corrupt and the only way to fix it was Direct Elections, which has lead to real corruption and control by money (lobbyists). Ironic as hell isn't it.

Yet another example of Progressive propaganda before it was even called by it's real name.
 
I blame the Republican Progressive from Kansas for it (Senator Joseph L. Bristow).

Him and another Progressive, William Randolph Hearst, for using his First Amendment power and his millions of dollars to publish fictional stories in major newspapers and magazines of how the Senate was corrupt and the only way to fix it was Direct Elections, which has lead to real corruption and control by money (lobbyists). Ironic as hell isn't it.

Yet another example of Progressive propaganda before it was even called by it's real name.

yes, with the 17th we got a more democratic government, and you get many factious combinations [special interest], controlling government.

the government is run under the guise of a democracy, power in only 1, however the power that controls , is the elites..who seduce and beguile and persuades the public in doing things which are not in their interest.

Madison states this in the federalist .... taking about the senate in 62 and 63
 
Won't survive appeals.

It is hard for me to get excited about these rulings. The ones that have made it to arguments on appeals are very split. It comes down to a Bill of Rights versus Federalism debate on Windsor. The states' rights argument is the most and only compelling argument made by supporters of these bans but it may be enough.
 
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