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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by beaudreaux View Post
    i just read it. It reads as it is. I was taught about this case way back when. Scotus refused to rule on what they deemed a political question where they ruled that the court has no jurisdiction, and that it lies with the legislative branch.

    I didn't say whether i agree with it or not.

    if you look at the structure of the federal government and how it is setup...you will see power in divided.......the people do not have all direct power.

    A republican form of government employs only 1 element of democracy... The house...which is democratic....

    The senate and the presidency, ....is not a democratic vote.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    100% correct...no one should ever want democracy..because it is always at war with individual rights.

    Democracy puts all direct power into the hands of the people.

    A republic puts only 1/2 of direct power into the Hand's of the people, the other half is granted to the states...not the people

    this divides power into 2 HALFS, and prevents 1 single entity from having all direct power and becoming a tyrant.
    The tyrant in your accurate description is the Progressive movement in this country. Which, as you stated before, is where this practice of Direct Democracy at the state and local level originated and has built from there. Roosevelt fought for expansion of Direct Democracy to advance his agenda, and we're still paying for that today.

    I find it ironic given the Progressive's recent uproar against what they as a movement fought, and in certain instances still fight, to expand. This thread topic is an example.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No. You don'tt believe in natural rights
    The constitutional basis for the judge's ruling was equal protection under the law, not natural rights. It's a red herring both in the court case and in this thread. It has no bearing.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    ah the games people play... First the constitutional amendment is a state one and can be negated by the federal court system. "the will of the people" is not a pact with bigotry. That 'will' must pass federal constitutional muster.

    I believe 'we the people' can vote to make any law or definition- to include all muslims wear crescents on their clothes to all of german decent must pay a 1/3 of they income to the holocaust fund.

    But i also believe the courts get to decide if such laws are acceptable in a nation with our constitution.

    lol.......

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.)No, you misunderstand. Laws against SSM base their restrictions on gender, not orientation. Men are not allowed to marry men, and women are not allowed to marry women. No state has a law in place that I know of preventing gay people to get married. Using misleading terms leads to faulty arguments.

    2.)It absolutely is a state issue. States have the right to regulate marriage. That is their right, and is part of the legal aspect of the cases. It is not the only part, but it is an important part.
    1.) nothing is misunderstood i understood exactly what you are saying but the distinction unfortunately is still needed until equal rights is for all. Currently it has to have some type of identifyer but i agree it shouldnt needed it.

    2.) again never said they had no right to regulate it if you disagree qoute me saying otherwise. In fact i could find many posts where i say they can do some regulations as long as it doesnt violateidividiual rights.

    and thats why this current issue and topic is factually not a state issue. Many of the judgments have even stated this because it violated rights(unconstitutional) therefore negating the states rights because states rights dont get to do that. (violate the constitution)

    now as far as costs or papers needing signed etc THOSE are states issue and not the discussion here and nothign to do with what i actually said
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you look at the structure of the federal government and how it is setup...you will see power in divided.......the people do not have all direct power.

    A republican form of government employs only 1 element of democracy... The house...which is democratic....

    The senate and the presidency, ....is not a democratic vote.
    I have never agreed with the Senate being elected by popular vote.

    The House is called the People's House for a reason. That is where the People are represented. The Senate was where the States were to be represented on the Federal level.

    A division of power.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The constitutional basis for the judge's ruling was equal protection under the law, not natural rights. It's a red herring both in the court case and in this thread. It has no bearing.
    Except the constitution is fundamentally a document about natural rights. Which is why there is conflict between left and right. Progressives conservatives, free market and socialist. One side sees rights as inalienable, the other as edicts granted. And that goes to the heart of this.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The tyrant in your accurate description is the Progressive movement in this country. Which, as you stated before, is where this practice of Direct Democracy at the state and local level originated and has built from there. Roosevelt fought for expansion of Direct Democracy to advance his agenda, and we're still paying for that today.

    I find it ironic given the Progressive's recent uproar against what they as a movement fought, and in certain instances still fight, to expand. This thread topic is an example.
    CORRECT.... THEY LOVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE AS MARX SAID.."IT IS THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM".....BUT WHEN THEY FIND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE GOES AGAINST THEM, THEY HATE DEMOCRACY.

    early progressives like Wilson was a racist who fired all blacks in the federal government, segregated the military again....

    they believed in killing people who severe no function in life, and the mentally ill, and called for eugenics, and a superior race of people.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except the constitution is fundamentally a document about natural rights. Which is why there is conflict between left and right. Progressives conservatives, free market and socialist. One side sees rights as inalienable, the other as edicts granted. And that goes to the heart of this.
    What you're basically arguing is that if you can prove that a right isn't natural, then the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law is null and void. Have fun with that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I have never agreed with the Senate being elected by popular vote.

    The House is called the People's House for a reason. That is where the People are represented. The Senate was where the States were to be represented on the Federal level.

    A division of power.
    thank you...you are 1 of the few who understands..why power must be divided.

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