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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are 100% correct, under what is known as the Oregon system, of the late 1800's progressives pushed the idea of referendums and initiatives in america and democracy.

    states changed their forms....unconstitutional...they should have been kicked out of the union, however were allowed to stay violating constitutional law.......IE direct voting of senators before the 17th amendment was created.
    I don't disagree that the concept of Direct Democracy is not only unConstitutional in form, and against the numerously written opinions of the founders, I'm just saying that it is now part of our form of government on a state and local level.

    To be clear, I don't like Direct Democracy. Why? Because it's a form of government where the rights of the individual are inferior to the will of the majority.

    As this Idaho law, as well as NC's Amendment One are vivid examples.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    if you read it said the congress decides what a republican form is.......that is false the constitution structure decides what a republican form is...


    States were already direct voting for senators before the 17th amendment is ever created....that is unconstitutional...as is direct democrracy in america

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    correct gay marriage is not a states rights issue since its an individual equal rights issue, this is why i see no actual argument against it. Peoples feelings are just hurt.
    This is not true(and I point out again that "gay marriage" is a misnomer, there is no test for orientation to get married). States do have a right to regulate marraige, but only within the confines of what is allowed by the constitution. So it is a state and federal issue. This is important since SCOTUS reaffirmed the right of states in this area recently.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, so long as you get the basis for our beliefs right, then no problem. Otherwise, if you continue to assume we're basing our beliefs on state vs. Federal like you, or direct democracy vs. constitutional democracy, you're going to incorrectly conclude we're being hypocrites.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by beaudreaux View Post

    to be clear, i don't like direct democracy. Why? Because it's a form of government where the rights of the individual are inferior to the will of the majority.
    100% correct...no one should ever want democracy..because it is always at war with individual rights.

    Democracy puts all direct power into the hands of the people.

    A republic puts only 1/2 of direct power into the Hand's of the people, the other half is granted to the states...not the people

    this divides power into 2 HALFS, and prevents 1 single entity from having all direct power and becoming a tyrant.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Would you like to make a bet on that? Say...a years worth of DP donation?
    Nope.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.)This is not true(and I point out again that "gay marriage" is a misnomer, there is no test for orientation to get married).
    2.)States do have a right to regulate marraige, but only within the confines of what is allowed by the constitution. So it is a state and federal issue. This is important since SCOTUS reaffirmed the right of states in this area recently.
    1.)I agree saying gay marriage is kind of pointless and shouldnt be needed but unfortunatley it currently is.
    2.) good thing i didnt say they have no right to regulate marriage, i said its not a states issue as far as individual rights, which, as you just said they can only do so within the confines of what is allowed by the constitution. so thank you for doubling down on what i said.

    as it stands this is not a state issue as far as the topic goes "banning" and violating rights.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)I agree saying gay marriage is kind of pointless and shouldnt be needed but unfortunatley it currently is.
    No, you misunderstand. Laws against SSM base their restrictions on gender, not orientation. Men are not allowed to marry men, and women are not allowed to marry women. No state has a law in place that I know of preventing gay people to get married. Using misleading terms leads to faulty arguments.


    2.) good thing i didnt say they have no right to regulate marriage, i said its not a states issue as far as individual rights, which, as you just said they can only do so within the confines of what is allowed by the constitution. so thank you for doubling down on what i said.

    as it stands this is not a state issue as far as the topic goes "banning" and violating rights.
    It absolutely is a state issue. States have the right to regulate marriage. That is their right, and is part of the legal aspect of the cases. It is not the only part, but it is an important part.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you read it said the congress decides what a republican form is.......that is false the constitution structure decides what a republican form is...


    States were already direct voting for senators before the 17th amendment is ever created....that is unconstitutional...as is direct democrracy in america
    I just read it. It reads as it is. I was taught about this case way back when. SCOTUS refused to rule on what they deemed a political question where they ruled that the court has no jurisdiction, and that it lies with the Legislative Branch.

    I didn't say whether I agree with it or not.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my question to you is: are you not one one the people on this forum who believes democracy and "will of the people" since this is a constitutional amendment which the people approved of.
    Ah the games people play... first the Constitutional Amendment is a STATE one and can be negated by the FEDERAL Court system. "The Will of the People" is not a pact with bigotry. That 'Will' must pass Federal Constitutional muster.

    I believe 'we the people' can vote to make any law or definition- to include all Muslims wear Crescents on their clothes to all of German decent must pay a 1/3 of they income to the Holocaust Fund.

    But I also believe the courts get to decide if such laws are acceptable in a nation with our Constitution.

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