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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

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    Id get in on this action to, that it will survive.
    bet you didn't think i would be on your side of the argument in the thread.?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong...every state is to be republican in its form...it cannot be democratic...if a state and its people change their form of government,..then that state must leave the union...that is constitutional law.
    Citation regarding referendums (direct democracy on a state or local level)?

    The referendum has been in existence since the late 1890's. You would think that if it was as abhorrent and unConstituional as you state it is, then it would have been overturned by a SCOTUS ruling by now.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    bet you didn't think i would be on your side of the argument in the thread.?
    Sorry, my apologies I didn't read every post in this thread so im not aware what side you are on.
    but curiosity peaked, tell me what the argument is and what side Im on.

    I dont see any actual "argument" on this issue. Just reality and whats going down, and some people dont like it.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Sorry, my apologies I didn't read every post in this thread so im not aware what side you are on.
    but curiosity peaked, tell me what the argument is and what side Im on.

    I dont see any actual "argument" on this issue. Just reality and whats going down, and some people dont like it.
    since the amendment to the state Constitution was illegal, you cannot create an amendment to take away rights of people...

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Citation regarding referendums (direct democracy on a state or local level)?

    The referendum has been in existence since the late 1890's. You would think that if it was as abhorrent and unConstituional as you state it is, then it would have been overturned by a SCOTUS ruling by now.
    referendums are direct democracy....there can be no direct democracy in america.....even on the state level..and be constitutional.

    however AMERICA is not running on constitutional law...and this is proof of it.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Thanks for answering though.
    Well, so long as you get the basis for our beliefs right, then no problem. Otherwise, if you continue to assume we're basing our beliefs on state vs. Federal like you, or direct democracy vs. constitutional democracy, you're going to incorrectly conclude we're being hypocrites.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since the amendment to the state Constitution was illegal, you cannot create an amendment to take away rights of people...
    correct gay marriage is not a states rights issue since its an individual equal rights issue, this is why i see no actual argument against it. Peoples feelings are just hurt.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post

    The referendum has been in existence since the late 1890's. You would think that if it was as abhorrent and unConstituional as you state it is, then it would have been overturned by a SCOTUS ruling by now.
    you are 100% correct, under what is known as the Oregon system, of the late 1800's progressives pushed the idea of referendums and initiatives in america and democracy.

    states changed their forms....unconstitutional...they should have been kicked out of the union, however were allowed to stay violating constitutional law.......IE direct voting of senators before the 17th amendment was created.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    referendums are direct democracy....there can be no direct democracy in america.....even on the state level..and be constitutional.

    however is not running on constitutional law...and this is proof of it.
    Read this SCOTUS ruling ernst:

    223 U.S. 118

    Pacific States Telephone and Telegraph Company v. Oregon (No. 36)

    Argued: November 3, 1911

    Decided: February 19, 1912

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