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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Won't survive appeals.
    These rulings have done pretty well in the past, especially seeing as the judge cited the 14th amendment and equal protection which, as you may recall, are effectively the Okami Code for deeming unconstitutional any law against gay marriage. While the anti side on debate forums have taken the ever popular "nuh uh" position with regards to Equal Protection, that tactic tends to fare poorly in the court room.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, I understand them quite well thank you.
    You understand your own foundation, not ours. The Right Wing tends to take the State vs. Federal position, while liberals regard that as an irrelevant choice, opting for rights over nonrights instead.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    If the people of a state pass an amendment to their state Constitution that is against the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution, that law (amendment) will be struck down by the Federal Courts.

    As it should be.

    We cannot have second class citizens in this country. No matter how much some hate them, even if those that hate them have the majority in a public vote.

    This isn't hard to understand.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    These rulings have done pretty well in the past, especially seeing as the judge cited the 14th amendment and equal protection which, as you may recall, are effectively the Okami Code for deeming unconstitutional any law against gay marriage. While the anti side on debate forums have taken the ever popular "nuh uh" position with regards to Equal Protection, that tactic tends to fare poorly in the court room.
    VERY poorly
    dont forget the its not civil rights and doesn't compare to loving vs Virginia arguments which have also failed and many rulings refer to that case.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If the people of a state pass an amendment to their state Constitution that is against the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution, that law (amendment) will be struck down by the Federal Courts.

    As it should be.

    We cannot have second class citizens in this country. No matter how much some hate them, even if those that hate them have the majority in a public vote.

    This isn't hard to understand.
    for some it is, no clue why but some would rather ignore reality/facts.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You understand your own foundation, not ours. The Right Wing tends to take the State vs. Federal position, while liberals regard that as an irrelevant choice, opting for rights over nonrights instead.
    This is not a state versus federal argument. It's a US Constitution - Equal Protection argument. And as for me, I'm all for the Tenth Amendment and a small Federal Government. This is not a Tenth Amendment situation though. No matter how much some would try to make it so.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You understand your own foundation, not ours. The Right Wing tends to take the State vs. Federal position, while liberals regard that as an irrelevant choice, opting for rights over nonrights instead.
    Define a right for me.... do you have a right to a job? Healthcare?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Define a right for me.... do you have a right to a job? Healthcare?
    Red herring and threadjacking. The law (in an ever decreasing number of states) favors the treatment of one set of people over another. That's been shown to be unconstitutional every time. Ignoring the 14th amendment and Equal Protection isn't going to make them go away.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If the people of a state pass an amendment to their state Constitution that is against the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution, that law (amendment) will be struck down by the Federal Courts.

    As it should be.

    We cannot have second class citizens in this country. No matter how much some hate them, even if those that hate them have the majority in a public vote.

    This isn't hard to understand.
    then i wlll ask you...why do states have referendums then?

    if the people cannot have a referendum and create an amendment...then they sure as H*ll...... cannot create a local law to take away rights of business owners to have smoking in their business.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Red herring and threadjacking. The law (in an ever decreasing number of states) favors the treatment of one set of people over another. That's been shown to be unconstitutional every time. Ignoring the 14th amendment and Equal Protection isn't going to make them go away.
    Thanks for answering though.
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