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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how?..... democracy is a democratic form of government...not republican
    Not true. You can be a republic and a democracy at the same time.

    in republican forms of government it has only 1 single element of democracy in it, but it is outweighed by the other parts which are not democratic.
    Since referundums in our country have certain amount of checks i would argue they are not actual pure forms of direct demoracy. In a direct democracy anyone who is of voting age can go vote on any piece of legislation no matter what.

    But what does this have to do with the argument at hand?


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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Marriage is a fundemental right.

    that means any infringement or challange of that right has to meet the standard of rational basis and strict scrutiny demanded by the due process clause and equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.
    ok say it is a right.....you cannot take your right , and exercise it on me...you exercise it on government.

    you have a right...well so do i...and your rights stop at my rights.

    equal protect under the law.... 14th amendment.....all applies to government ..............not the public.

    you don't have any rights which you can exercise on me ,to make me do things for you.......government can give you no such man made created right [civil right]privilege........since you cannot even use a natural right on me to make me do things for you.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Federal Judge Denies Idaho Governor's Motion To Put Gay Marriages On Hold

    Stay of ruling denied in the Idaho case. Same sex marriage certificates will start to be issued Friday morning.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok say it is a right.....you cannot take your right , and exercise it on me...you exercise it on government.

    you have a right...well so do i...and your rights stop at my rights.

    equal protect under the law.... 14th amendment.....all applies to government ..............not the public.

    you don't have any rights which you can exercise on me ,to make me do things for you.......government can give you no such man made created right [civil right]privilege........since you cannot even use a natural right on me to make me do things for you.
    Yes but that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about government issued marriage certificates.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok say it is a right.....you cannot take your right , and exercise it on me...you exercise it on government.

    you have a right...well so do i...and your rights stop at my rights.

    equal protect under the law.... 14th amendment.....all applies to government ..............not the public.

    you don't have any rights which you can exercise on me ,to make me do things for you.......government can give you no such man made created right [civil right]privilege........since you cannot even use a natural right on me to make me do things for you.
    i suspect you disagree with the decision of proposition 8.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not true. You can be a republic and a democracy at the same time.


    Since referundums in our country have certain amount of checks i would argue they are not actual pure forms of direct demoracy. In a direct democracy anyone who is of voting age can go vote on any piece of legislation no matter what.

    But what does this have to do with the argument at hand?

    how? under the founders, the house is democratically elected........the other two offices are non democratic votes..making it republican.

    because people in the state were using direct democracy to vote on rights of people to barr them getting married.......you cant vote on other people rights in republican forms of government........in democracies you can.

    our constitutional guarantee ...forbids such activity.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i suspect you disagree with the decision of proposition 8.

    He's not talking about Civil Marriage, he's deflecting the thread into a discussion of Public Accommodation laws when he talks about the government requiring private businesses to provide equal goods and services.


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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i suspect you disagree with the decision of proposition 8.
    the people cannot vote....to take rights or privileges of other people away..

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how? under the founders, the house is democratically elected........the other two offices are non democratic votes..making it republican.

    because people in the state were using direct democracy to vote on rights of people to barr them getting married.......you cant vote on other people rights in republican forms of government........in democracies you can.

    our constitutional guarantee ...forbids such activity.
    you seem to disregard or ignore 200+ years of U.S political history.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    He's not talking about Civil Marriage, he's deflecting the thread into a discussion of Public Accommodation laws when he talks about the government requiring private businesses to provide equal goods and services.


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    you seem to not understand i have been asked many questions from many perspectives.

    when you have natural/ civil rights//privileges they cannot be used on [force]other people, by people.

    the people cannot vote to take rights away, or discriminate against other people.

    the people cannot use a rights they have.... to force another citizen with rights to give them something
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