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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Try to stick to the topic. Two dudes getting married is not tyranny.
    if you force another person to give you a license, by using government as your muscle......you are threatening them!

    you cannot exercise a right over a right..........to get a license

    people have rights.

    government does not have rights, it has powers...you can exercise a right over a power.

    governments have to obey the law with you exercising your right .....YOU can force governments to marry you...you cannot force people, who have rights

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the bill of rights did not apply to states until after the civil war by.... USSC RULING....states did not obey the bill of rights because the restrictions by it are only federal.

    by the USSC ruling states had to obey it....it placed NEW restrictions on states...THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE.

    state could regulate firearms before the ruling...now they cant according to constitutional law..its prohibited.
    The 14th amendment changed that, yes.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you force another person to give you a license, by using government as your muscle......you are threatening them!

    you cannot exercise a right over a right..........to get a license

    people have rights.

    government does not have rights, it has powers...you can exercise a right over a power.

    governments have to obey the law with you exercising you right .....can force governments to marry you.
    "Another person" doesn't give the license to you. The state issues marriage licenses.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The 14th amendment changed that, yes.
    YOU ARE CORRECT!

    if tells states, they cannot deny [exercise] people their rights.........BUT ....it does not say people can force other people to excise their rights .

    each citizen has rights, and no citizen can excise a right on top of another citizen RIGHTS... using the government as their tool.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Another person" doesn't give the license to you. The state issues marriage licenses.
    that is true...government recognizes the marriage...and they have to by law....14th

    but a citizen is not bound to the 14th to do anything for you.....

    using his rights/his liberty he excises his own decision whether he will do anything for you...that is what liberty means.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you force another person to give you a license, by using government as your muscle......you are threatening them!

    you cannot exercise a right over a right..........to get a license

    people have rights.

    government does not have rights, it has powers...you can exercise a right over a power.

    governments have to obey the law with you exercising your right .....YOU can force governments to marry you...you cannot force people, who have rights

    No one is "forced" to issue a marriage license. You take a job, say as County Clerk, your job duties are to:

    Maintain Marriage Records
    Maintain Birth Records
    Maintain Death Records

    When you voluntarily accept the job you voluntarily agree to perform the duties and responsibilities of the job, if you don't want to perform the functions as defined for the job - don't take the job. No one issues Civil Marriage licenses except government employees acting as agents of the government.



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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    No one is "forced" to issue a marriage license. You take a job, say as County Clerk, your job duties are to:

    Maintain Marriage Records
    Maintain Birth Records
    Maintain Death Records

    When you voluntarily accept the job you voluntarily agree to perform the duties and responsibilities of the job, if you don't want to perform the functions as defined for the job - don't take the job. No one issues Civil Marriage licenses except government employees acting as agents of the government.



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    lets stay in correct respective here

    government cannot discriminate......at all!


    private citizens......non members of government...are not bound to constitutional law

    every citizen has rights.......no citizen can excise a natural right or a civil right, ............on top of another citizens rights.

    citizens can excise a right...on top of ..... powers of government

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you force another person to give you a license, by using government as your muscle......you are threatening them!

    you cannot exercise a right over a right..........to get a license
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    lets stay in correct respective here

    government cannot discriminate......at all!


    private citizens......non members of government...are not bound to constitutional law

    every citizen has rights.......no citizen can excise a natural right or a civil right, ............on top of another citizens rights.

    citizens can excise a right...on top of ..... powers of government

    Yes lets keep perspective as to what I responded to you said: "if you force another person to give you a license"

    Civil Marriage licenses are obtained from the government, employees performing those duties are acting as agents of the government. You don't get Civil Marriage licenses from "private citizens", you get them from agents of the government.



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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Yes lets keep perspective as to what I responded to you said: "if you force another person to give you a license"

    Civil Marriage licenses are obtained from the government, employees performing those duties are acting as agents of the government. You don't get Civil Marriage licenses from "private citizens", you get them from agents of the government.



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    ok....anything that has to do with government...they cannot deny you a license or getting married by a government official...they have to follow the 14th

    a private citizen cannot be forced, to have to participate is any way in the marriage as a whole......because the couple cannot excise a right on another citizen to force them to do something for them using government as their tool.

    you cannot exercise a right on top of a right......only on top of a power.......government have powers..

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    Re: Judge strikes down Idaho's same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok....anything that has to do with government...they cannot deny you a license or getting married by a government official...they have to follow the 14th

    a private citizen cannot be forced, to have to participate is any way in the marriage as a whole......because the couple cannot excise a right on another citizen to force them to do something for them using government as their tool.

    you cannot exercise a right on top of a right......only on top of a power.......government have powers..


    You are talking about two completely different aspects of the law: Same-sex Civil Marriage and Public Accommodation laws.


    Civil Marriage laws are strictly between you (the couple) and the government.

    Public Accommodation laws have to do with regulation of commerce. Such laws have been found constitutional at all levels of judicial review including State Supreme Court (under the 10th Amendment power of the State to regulate commerce) and from a federal level under the enumerated power to regulate interstate commerce.



    The government should not discriminate against it's citizens unless there is a compelling government interest in treating like situated citizens differently. I've watched the debate for going on 10 years and no one has articulated a compelling government interest as to why like situated couples (law abiding, tax paying, US Citizen, infertile, non-related, consenting, adults) should be treated differently based on the gender composition of the couple.

    Public Accommodation laws on the other hand are Constitutional, but just because the government is allowed to do something - doesn't mean it should. I support the repeal of Public Accommodation laws (as applied to private businesses) because - IMHO - they usurp the rights of property and free association of the business owner. Just because I disagree with a law though doesn't make it unconstitutional, the only way we will get rid of Public Accommodation laws is to convince the legislatures to repeal them.



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