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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, we really do. The only excuse that the author of this article could possibly have for the positions taken was that it was authored in January of 2012, and the last two years have not only been the deadliest and most effective for Boko Haram, but have been those in which his arguments were most thoroughly devastated.

    BH has been able to organize combined assaults against defended positions of an entire division of Nigerian troops, involving the massing of hundreds of BH troops, delineated actions on the objective, and then effectively conducted pre-coordinated dispersion plans. that speaks to an impressive level of centralized command and control that does not forestall decentralized operations.


    Boko Haram is a capable, well-equipped, terrorist entity with a discernable C2 architecture capable of making and enforcing decisions and pursuing tactical and operational goals (strategic? we will see). Yeah, they are the bad guys.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not according to the New York Times and the State Department, if you read the article..
    The one that was written over two years ago, and has since been discredited? Don't let opposing a deployment of military force push you into taking a foolish position simply because it also would oppose that.

    With that sort of disinformation how can anyone know what's going on in places like Nigeria?
    We actually have pretty good information on what's going on in Nigeria, and in the tri-border region. I was impressed with the speed and multi-source verification available through open source venues.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

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    they are going to write Boko Haram a letter telling them how angry they are. And if Boko Haram doesn't change their ways, they are going to write them another letter. That will perhaps even include exclamation points!
    I hope it is sharply worded with a lot of exclamation points!!

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

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    Some may have a problem with Pamela Geller but she may have a point here. Obama's Sanction of Boko Haram | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
    Do you bother to read your sources? Your second source discredits your first, and then claims that Obama and BH are in some kind of weird alliance. That's tin hat territory, right there.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, but we know the dangers of ignoring a potential threat. Terrorists like to spread their crazy ideologies. Obviously the Nigerian government is corrupt and incompetent. They are JUST as guilty for these atrocities because they ALLOW them to happen and turn a blind eye. The ONLY reason why they are paying attention to this is because they are getting international pressure, and I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

    Boko Haram formed amid Nigerian government corruption - World - CBC News
    As to the bolded above, no we obviously do not. Even after finding UBL "hidden" in Pakistan we pay that corrupt gov't billions to pretend to be our friend. We pretend that women have basic human rights in Saudi Arabia and that Christian's rights are respected in Egypt - just to keep them from wiping out Israel. If the people of Nigeria tolerate this nonsense, and they appear to do just that, then they are a state sponsor of terrorism, not a nation that we should "help". I am sick and tired of hearing about the vast majority of "good Muslims" when they willingly accept this nonsense.
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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As to the bolded above, no we obviously do not. Even after finding UBL "hidden" in Pakistan we pay that corrupt gov't billions to pretend to be our friend. We pretend that women have basic human rights in Saudi Arabia that Christian's rights are respected in Egypt - just to keep them from wiping out Israel. If the people of Nigeria tolerate this nonsense, and they appear to do just that, then they are a state sponsor of terrorism, not a nation that we should "help". I am sick and tired of hearing about the vast majority of "good Muslims" when they willingly accept this nonsense.
    I don't think "the people" have much in the way of choices. These extremist groups wheel and deal with the government, and the government is a willing player in the game, and it's "the people" who suffer because of it IMO.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes, we really do. The only excuse that the author of this article could possibly have for the positions taken was that it was authored in January of 2012, and the last two years have not only been the deadliest and most effective for Boko Haram, but have been those in which his arguments were most thoroughly devastated.

    BH has been able to organize combined assaults against defended positions of an entire division of Nigerian troops, involving the massing of hundreds of BH troops, delineated actions on the objective, and then effectively conducted pre-coordinated dispersion plans. that speaks to an impressive level of centralized command and control that does not forestall decentralized operations.


    Boko Haram is a capable, well-equipped, terrorist entity with a discernable C2 architecture capable of making and enforcing decisions and pursuing tactical and operational goals (strategic? we will see). Yeah, they are the bad guys.
    On the other hand ChrisL is a a reasonably well informed poster who never heard of the 29 schoolboys burned alive last month and he is not alone. Had these young women not been kidnapped, which certainly draws attention to this group, the NYTimes editorial would possibly have been the last word on the subject.

    Until this recent mass kidnapping little was known or discussed about of this terrorist group. No mention I can see on this forum, but it should have been a subject of interest.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    On the other hand ChrisL is a a reasonably well informed poster who never heard of the 29 schoolboys burned alive last month and he is not alone. Had these young women not been kidnapped, which certainly draws attention to this group, the NYTimes editorial would possibly have been the last word on the subject.
    Unlikely. Boko Haram demonstrated itself during the last year to be an incredibly effective terror group, capable of murdering thousands and taking on standard Nigerian army echelons and winning. The prison raid alone would have discredited the article.

    Until this recent mass kidnapping little was known or discussed about of this terrorist group. No mention I can see on this forum, but it should have been a subject of interest.
    for the populace, no, it wasn't. Which is why I maintain that the reason that we are actually there is because there was nothing else on the news. That being said, there is and was plenty known about them. It's simply that most folks weren't interested.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Do you bother to read your sources? Your second source discredits your first, and then claims that Obama and BH are in some kind of weird alliance. That's tin hat territory, right there.
    Yes, of course I read it and where do you find the conflict? I realize that the 'tin hat' theory is possible but where do you find the actual inconsistencies?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    On the other hand ChrisL is a a reasonably well informed poster who never heard of the 29 schoolboys burned alive last month and he is not alone. Had these young women not been kidnapped, which certainly draws attention to this group, the NYTimes editorial would possibly have been the last word on the subject.

    Until this recent mass kidnapping little was known or discussed about of this terrorist group. No mention I can see on this forum, but it should have been a subject of interest.
    I was thinking that, as terrible as that massacre with the 29 boys being killed was, those people were already dead. These girls, as far as we know, are still alive, and that might be one reason for the focus. Maybe SOME of them could be rescued, or at least that's what people would hope.

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