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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    an effective concurrent rescue op of all 250+ at this point isn't realistic, agreed. Small groups we probably could snipe them all, which many of the girls are (reportedly) fortunately broken into.

    As for "hunter killer" teams, I don't know. We could probably employ a CT effort to take out BH leadership if we wanted to (and we'd probably want to target related Ansaru personnel while we were at it), but hunter killer teams aren't going to be effective at locating and extracting the girls. Sad to say, if that's your priority, purchase/trade is probably your best bet. The problem being that that means you have just handed a nutjob a winning tactic. Doing that as a precursor to a joint project with the French in standing up decent Cameroonian / Nigerien / Chad CT capabilities in the Chad Lake region might be a good project, but would require the will to deploy and maintain valuable and vulnerable resources. An FID mission to support the 7th Division would mean the same, and would additionally potentially put an American twist on any human rights abuses they committed.

    There are more IDP's from the Syrian conflict now than (I think) any other post-WWII conflict (maybe the Chinese civil war?). 250 School girls is a tragedy, and an evil act committed by a group that deserves to have very armed men smashing down their doors, but I don't see the West committing the resources necessary for an effort that only became popular because there was nothing new to talk about on the Malaysia Flight story.
    You really think that? I think there are plenty of people who care and who are just so sick and tired of things like this happening! Also, we can't allow these groups to become TOO powerful.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Green Berets, Seals, Rangers, Force Recon, airborne units and select infantry units qualify to perform this mission with the proper intel, ROE and support.
    That's not hunter killer teams. That's full echelons with support units and the logistical chain necessary to maintain a presence. If there is anything we've learned about the CI fight in the last decade, it's that it is manpower intensive.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Awful! I never even heard that story. Do you have a link?
    It was actually 29. 29 Boys Killed as Boko Haram Attacks Boarding School in Nigeria - NBC News

    Boko Haram Steps Up Its War on Kids - The Daily Beast

    Perhaps the media has become too squeamish to report this stuff, I don't know, but there should be something the world can do. And the burden to answer the call should not be taken only by the Americans. Where is the UN in all of this? Or Europe?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was actually 29. 29 Boys Killed as Boko Haram Attacks Boarding School in Nigeria - NBC News

    Boko Haram Steps Up Its War on Kids - The Daily Beast

    Perhaps the media has become too squeamish to report this stuff, I don't know, but there should be something the world can do. And the burden to answer the call should not be taken ony by the Americans. Where is the UN in all of this? Or Europe?
    The UN is useless, and Europe doesn't want to hurt anyone's widdle feewings.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, I realize that. It's in our blood, though. We are a nation of cowboys, who come from movers, shakers, and pioneers. We just can't stand to leave anything, or anyone, alone.
    The world is better off for it. Notice, we don't see the 'murica haters bragging abou what THEIR country is going to do.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You really think that?
    The girls were kidnapped on April 14. There was a car bombing in the capital city the same day, and then a week later. After.... two weeks and some change, people started noticing because the news ran it, because there was nothing else happening. It was three weeks before we started seeing the twitterverse caring, and then the Administration was suddenly Up In Arms Over The Horror Of It All.

    I think there are plenty of people who care and who are just so sick and tired of things like this happening! Also, we can't allow these groups to become TOO powerful.
    No doubt. And Boko Haram presents a very real threat to the Nigerian government, which is the largest economy in Africa. But I don't think people are sick and tired of things like this happening. I think they are sick and tired of seeing it on the news, and responding to that. Nobody cared on April 16th or 18th. If people were honestly willing to deploy our forces out of a responsibility to protect, we would have been involved in Syria.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The UN is useless, and Europe doesn't want to hurt anyone's widdle feewings.
    Actually, for all that I have given them crap, and for all that they have had some painful missteps, and for all that they still heavily limit the risks they take, France has stepped up to the plate a bit in Western and Central Africa. I have to at least give them props for that.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The girls were kidnapped on April 14. There was a car bombing in the capital city the same day, and then a week later. After.... two weeks and some change, people started noticing because the news ran it, because there was nothing else happening. It was three weeks before we started seeing the twitterverse caring, and then the Administration was suddenly Up In Arms Over The Horror Of It All.



    No doubt. And Boko Haram presents a very real threat to the Nigerian government, which is the largest economy in Africa. But I don't think people are sick and tired of things like this happening. I think they are sick and tired of seeing it on the news, and responding to that. Nobody cared on April 16th or 18th. If people were honestly willing to deploy our forces out of a responsibility to protect, we would have been involved in Syria.
    I disagree. Syria was another thing completely. We STILL have to question who are the good guys and who are the bad guys over there. In this situation, we KNOW who the bad guys are.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know I saw another thread about this, but it is full of partisan bickering. I was hoping to start a thread that is about the Nigerian girls and the things that are being done to rescue them.

    I think it's just terrible what happened here, and SOME of the girls are missing from the video. I wonder if they're still alive. Also, I can't imagine how frustrated their parents and loved ones must feel right about now. I hear that it's quite a large area where they could be keeping these girls, so the government would naturally have problems pinpointing their location. However, I don't think there is ANY excuse for allowing these types of groups to become SO powerful to begin with, and THAT is the part that really pisses me off!

    Scared but alive: Video purports to show abducted Nigerian girls - CNN.com
    Nigeria is an independent nation of over 168 million (mosly Muslim) people and certainly can find the will to stop these few folks from committing murder, kidnapping and mayhem. The US cannot randomly pick and choose when to play world policeman based on Twitter volume. This call for US intervention sets a dangerous precedent, especially while the Nigerian gov't seems quite content to negotiate with this band of thugs that recently murdered other school children.

    Boko Haram also murder boys. Where's the

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was actually 29. 29 Boys Killed as Boko Haram Attacks Boarding School in Nigeria - NBC News

    Boko Haram Steps Up Its War on Kids - The Daily Beast

    Perhaps the media has become too squeamish to report this stuff, I don't know, but there should be something the world can do. And the burden to answer the call should not be taken only by the Americans. Where is the UN in all of this? Or Europe?
    they are going to write Boko Haram a letter telling them how angry they are. And if Boko Haram doesn't change their ways, they are going to write them another letter. That will perhaps even include exclamation points!

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