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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

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    Well, to be fair, it's not our fault. Some idiot wrote into our founding documents that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights or some kind of nuttery like that, and we've periodically felt obliged to back that up ever since.
    Yes, I realize that. It's in our blood, though. We are a nation of cowboys, who come from movers, shakers, and pioneers. We just can't stand to leave anything, or anyone, alone.
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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well I have to disagree. I think that pressure on these governments might do some good. It is a motivation for them to do SOMETHING instead of nothing at least.
    Well maybe the first lady (in a country where women get little respect anyway) and celebrities might concern the Nigerian government but I'd say immediately cutting off half of their foreign aid ($614.7 million) would have a better effect. It seems to me that foreign aid, and the granting thereof, is an underutilized tool.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You mean like an SF team?
    Green Berets, Seals, Rangers, Force Recon, airborne units and select infantry units qualify to perform this mission with the proper intel, ROE and support.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well maybe the first lady (in a country where women get little respect anyway) and celebrities might concern the Nigerian government but I'd say immediately cutting off half of their foreign aid ($614.7 million) would have a better effect. It seems to me that foreign aid, and the granting thereof, is an underutilized tool.
    I would agree. That money is supposed to go to the people anyway, and we all know it doesn't. I am really sick and tired of giving so-called "aid" to these governments. We are NOT going to buy friendship.

    I'm just so glad that I don't have to live in one of these armpits of the world.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No doubt these are evil bastards, but they are everywhere. Right now they are just getting more publicity because it's the horror of having young girls captured and taken away to some remote hideout. When they burned 27 schoolboys alive last month it went unnoticed as just another Islamic terrorist attack.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No doubt these are evil bastards, but they are everywhere. Right now they are just getting more publicity because it's the horror of having young girls captured and taken away to some remote hideout. When they burned 27 schoolboys alive last month it went unnoticed as just another Islamic terrorist attack.
    Awful! I never even heard that story. Do you have a link?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Could be a good 'soldier of fortune' op.
    Too bad the hand-wringers outlawed mercenaries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    I guarantee you there is a few wild-eyed guinea gunmen, that aren't all that bright, holding AK's on those girls at all times with orders to kill when our boys arrive.

    We cannot snipe 'em all.
    an effective concurrent rescue op of all 250+ at this point isn't realistic, agreed. Small groups we probably could snipe them all, which many of the girls are (reportedly) fortunately broken into.

    As for "hunter killer" teams, I don't know. We could probably employ a CT effort to take out BH leadership if we wanted to (and we'd probably want to target related Ansaru personnel while we were at it), but hunter killer teams aren't going to be effective at locating and extracting the girls. Sad to say, if that's your priority, purchase/trade is probably your best bet. The problem being that that means you have just handed a nutjob a winning tactic. Doing that as a precursor to a joint project with the French in standing up decent Cameroonian / Nigerien / Chad CT capabilities in the Chad Lake region might be a good project, but would require the will to deploy and maintain valuable and vulnerable resources. An FID mission to support the 7th Division would mean the same, and would additionally potentially put an American twist on any human rights abuses they committed.

    There are more IDP's from the Syrian conflict now than (I think) any other post-WWII conflict (maybe the Chinese civil war?). 250 School girls is a tragedy, and an evil act committed by a group that deserves to have very armed men smashing down their doors, but I don't see the West committing the resources necessary for an effort that only became popular because there was nothing new to talk about on the Malaysia Flight story.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Worse described.... how? Qualitatively? Quantitatively? Using what metric?
    I was using Hillary's metric.
    ....yeah... not sure that's an argument against their designation so much as it is against the State Department....
    Yep! But what does it matter if they make the list or not if nothing is going to be done about them?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Awful! I never even heard that story. Do you have a link?
    The hourslong assault on Gamboru Ngala that left at least 150 people dead, some of whom were burned alive, is the latest in a series of brazen attacks and abductions by Boko Haram, raising concern about whether the Nigerian government can retake control of the region from the entrenched terror group.


    You gotta give them this: plenty of people, even evil people, might have been cowed by suddenly attracting the attention and potentially the military of the worlds' remaining superpower. Boko Haram literally gives zero f---s.

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