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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    When are you going to acknowledge that nobody ever said "tweets" were going to stop terrorism. The point is, that the campaign is gathering international support.
    So? That support is useless, and if anything, serves to bleed off desire to actually support policy.

    In turn, the international community is putting pressure on the Nigerian government to do something about these horrible attacks.
    they are? okay, I'll bite. How? Are they taking hashtag pictures?

    Now, since everyone cannot be in Nigeria, the next best thing is to show OUR support through the internet or any other way possible. What else would you suggest? Silence?
    political advocacy for the actual deployment of the resources necessary to effect a CT campaign against Boko Haram, Ansaru, AQIM, the Murabitun Brigade, etc. Simple declaration of opposition to bad stuff isn't taking a stand or effecting anything. It's the foreign policy equivalent of declaring ones'self to be in favor of America and puppies - a costless posture.

    What exactly is your problem with people showing their support for these girls and putting pressure on the Nigerian government through the internet or any other way, and please be specific.
    My problem isn't with people showing "support of the girls". My problem is with people doing that instead of actually supporting the measures necessary for their return (and for the protection of future victims) and then claim implicitly or otherwise that that pose can morally stand in place of action. It's substituting the actually difficult and sometimes painful task of standing against evil with the costless and easy pose of saying that one doesn't like it.

    would these be the protestors that the President's wife then had jailed? Or the ones that he said he would meet with and then found out he had better things to do, like go to dinner?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know I saw another thread about this, but it is full of partisan bickering. I was hoping to start a thread that is about the Nigerian girls and the things that are being done to rescue them.

    I think it's just terrible what happened here, and SOME of the girls are missing from the video. I wonder if they're still alive. Also, I can't imagine how frustrated their parents and loved ones must feel right about now. I hear that it's quite a large area where they could be keeping these girls, so the government would naturally have problems pinpointing their location. However, I don't think there is ANY excuse for allowing these types of groups to become SO powerful to begin with, and THAT is the part that really pisses me off!

    Scared but alive: Video purports to show abducted Nigerian girls - CNN.com
    It's sad, but I don't really know what we can do about it. I mean maybe we could go in and save all the girls if everything went to plan and we had all the information and military intelligence; but we've been dropping the ball on that lately. Also, it's not our problem, and even if everything went perfectly and we saved and returned those girls; there's nothing that would prevent the same thing from happening again.

    The People of Nigeria need to get a handle on their government and make sure it's one that can protect them and their rights from these sorts of threats. Until they can come together as a People and put an end to it, there's nothing we can do to end it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    When are you going to acknowledge that nobody ever said "tweets" were going to stop terrorism. The point is, that the campaign is gathering international support. In turn, the international community is putting pressure on the Nigerian government to do something about these horrible attacks. Now, since everyone cannot be in Nigeria, the next best thing is to show OUR support through the internet or any other way possible. What else would you suggest? Silence? Silence because you feel not enough stink was made about the boys who were killed? Is this like some kind of competition for you or something? That is just OUTRAGEOUS.

    What exactly is your problem with people showing their support for these girls and putting pressure on the Nigerian government through the internet or any other way, and please be specific.

    Nigeria protesters keep pressure on government | National News - WXII Home
    It will not change unless the People change it. A trite statement, sure, but it's the truth. All these pathetic hashtags across the globe are not going to do a single thing less people make the necessary changes. Hash tags do not change the world, actions do. And hash tags don't lead to action, they're just stupid little things people do to publicly say "hey I care about X", but then do nothing to actually address "X". It's just the new lapel ribbon, it's the new wristband. First world spoiled brats thinking that by caring they're going to change something. About as useful as prayer.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It will not change unless the People change it. A trite statement, sure, but it's the truth. All these pathetic hashtags across the globe are not going to do a single thing less people make the necessary changes. Hash tags do not change the world, actions do. And hash tags don't lead to action, they're just stupid little things people do to publicly say "hey I care about X", but then do nothing to actually address "X". It's just the new lapel ribbon, it's the new wristband. First world spoiled brats thinking that by caring they're going to change something. About as useful as prayer.
    I'd go a step further and say that the hashtags demean the person using them as they are a way of pretending you are actually doing something, rather than actually taking any action. Once the photo is taken then its back to business as usual, following a selfie pat on the back.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It will not change unless the People change it. A trite statement, sure, but it's the truth. All these pathetic hashtags across the globe are not going to do a single thing less people make the necessary changes. Hash tags do not change the world, actions do. And hash tags don't lead to action, they're just stupid little things people do to publicly say "hey I care about X", but then do nothing to actually address "X". It's just the new lapel ribbon, it's the new wristband. First world spoiled brats thinking that by caring they're going to change something. About as useful as prayer.
    You can't expect change to happen when nobody knows what's going on. That is what this campaign is about I think. What better way to garner support for a cause than through the internet? There is really nothing else a person can do to show their support for the girls, so while it might not DO anything, there is certainly nothing wrong with spreading the word and educating other people about what is happening.

    I really, REALLY cannot understand where all the negativity about this comes from.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    "Our girls".............meanwhile we have a U.S. Marine rotting in a Mexican jail and the Obama administration won't even resond to his family's requests for intervention.........

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So? That support is useless, and if anything, serves to bleed off desire to actually support policy.



    they are? okay, I'll bite. How? Are they taking hashtag pictures?



    political advocacy for the actual deployment of the resources necessary to effect a CT campaign against Boko Haram, Ansaru, AQIM, the Murabitun Brigade, etc. Simple declaration of opposition to bad stuff isn't taking a stand or effecting anything. It's the foreign policy equivalent of declaring ones'self to be in favor of America and puppies - a costless posture.



    My problem isn't with people showing "support of the girls". My problem is with people doing that instead of actually supporting the measures necessary for their return (and for the protection of future victims) and then claim implicitly or otherwise that that pose can morally stand in place of action. It's substituting the actually difficult and sometimes painful task of standing against evil with the costless and easy pose of saying that one doesn't like it.



    would these be the protestors that the President's wife then had jailed? Or the ones that he said he would meet with and then found out he had better things to do, like go to dinner?
    What are you babbling on about? There is absolutely nothing wrong with people (who CANNOT show support in another way) to show their support through this internet campaign. Whether or not YOU believe it is self-serving is besides the point. The real point is that it educates people about what is happening and when the international community is against something, it does put pressure on the government to do something, just as my links state.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You can't expect change to happen when nobody knows what's going on. That is what this campaign is about I think. What better way to garner support for a cause than through the internet? There is really nothing else a person can do to show their support for the girls, so while it might not DO anything, there is certainly nothing wrong with spreading the word and educating other people about what is happening.

    I really, REALLY cannot understand where all the negativity about this comes from.
    There's nothing wrong, but one isn't doing anything by doing it. And instead I believe they do this to think they are doing something, or to try to show off to others that they care. It's all insincere propaganda to make someone look more of an activist than they are.

    Zero affect is zero affect, if someone isn't doing something to solve/prevent this then they don't really care about it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What are you babbling on about? There is absolutely nothing wrong with people (who CANNOT show support in another way) to show their support through this internet campaign. Whether or not YOU believe it is self-serving is besides the point. The real point is that it educates people about what is happening and when the international community is against something, it does put pressure on the government to do something, just as my links state.
    The withholding of foreign aid would be a better tool.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Name an event (with a link) similar occurring in the US, where a terrorist organization blatantly storms a school and steals almost 300 girls and takes them into the jungle somewhere, while threatening to kill them and sell them into slavery, etc.
    Chowchilla kidnapping.

    1976 Chowchilla kidnapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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