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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know I saw another thread about this, but it is full of partisan bickering. I was hoping to start a thread that is about the Nigerian girls and the things that are being done to rescue them.

    I think it's just terrible what happened here, and SOME of the girls are missing from the video. I wonder if they're still alive. Also, I can't imagine how frustrated their parents and loved ones must feel right about now. I hear that it's quite a large area where they could be keeping these girls, so the government would naturally have problems pinpointing their location. However, I don't think there is ANY excuse for allowing these types of groups to become SO powerful to begin with, and THAT is the part that really pisses me off!

    Scared but alive: Video purports to show abducted Nigerian girls - CNN.com
    Typical Sharia..

    I suppose we must tolerate this and the rest of their crazy **** because in "progressiveland" not all Muslims are evil.

    Of course our government won't do anything about it - when they're the only ones that have the hardware to do anything about it.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Typical Sharia..

    I suppose we must tolerate this and the rest of their crazy **** because in "progressiveland" not all Muslims are evil.

    Of course our government won't do anything about it - when they're the only ones that have the hardware to do anything about it.
    I know we have to encourage these governments to do more. It's very difficult task when the government officials themselves are corrupt, take bribes and ignore law breakers. Educating the people, exposing them to the civilized world helps by changing attitudes and making it so that people can form their own opinions.

    If you think about it, no matter what WE do to help, it will only be a temporary fix. We can't just stay there and babysit and protect people in other countries. That is the job of their own government.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know we have to encourage these governments to do more. It's very difficult task when the government officials themselves are corrupt, take bribes and ignore law breakers. Educating the people, exposing them to the civilized world helps by changing attitudes and making it so that people can form their own opinions.

    If you think about it, no matter what WE do to help, it will only be a temporary fix. We can't just stay there and babysit and protect people in other countries. That is the job of their own government.
    This is why we need to get these poor girls back then carpet bomb (with small nukes) all these terrorist camps, communes etc....

    The only way to win this war against terrorism is to terrorize the terrorists.

    Of course they will just all immigrate to England if we destroy their camps and England would be happy to take them...

    Obviously our present government would be too chicken**** to even terrorize terrorists. No their idea of an offensive strike is to shoot at them from choppers or drones - as if that is sending a message.
    Last edited by Mr.Nick; 05-17-14 at 12:37 PM.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    This is why we need to get these poor girls back then carpet bomb (with small nukes) all these terrorist camps, communes etc....

    The only way to win this war against terrorism is to terrorize the terrorists.

    Of course they will just all immigrate to England if we destroy their camps and England would be happy to take them...
    I don't know about that. Don't you think that would just keep on creating more terrorists and more enemies? This is why I think education is really the key. I know it takes longer than bombing them. But the only reason why these terrorist groups have so many followers is because those a good percentage of those followers are not educated and believe whatever their local imams tell them to believe. Sure, some of them are just nuts, but I believe that a vast majority of them are just uneducated and ignorant. I would like to see us and other countries do something that is going to work in the long term.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know about that. Don't you think that would just keep on creating more terrorists and more enemies? This is why I think education is really the key. I know it takes longer than bombing them. But the only reason why these terrorist groups have so many followers is because those a good percentage of those followers are not educated and believe whatever their local imams tell them to believe. Sure, some of them are just nuts, but I believe that a vast majority of them are just uneducated and ignorant. I would like to see us and other countries do something that is going to work in the long term.
    IF we used our full might against these terrorists I think they would think twice before abducting young woman, hanging pregnant woman, hanging homosexuals and others accused of having sexual relations before marriage, stoning woman etc...

    I understand war is usually strategic, however these evil ****s need to be taught a lesson - we bomb the **** out of every "cave" they reside in. All their camps, weapons stockpiles etc.... All the US does is bomb assets - when that does nothing more than piss people off because they believe the "evil" Jewish loving US has taken their power and water away - so it is quite easy to manipulate people in those positions to hate the United States - despite the fact we're not there to kill civilians (unlike any military in this world)....

    As bad and barbaric as it sounds - war - or at least bombing the **** out of a nation ends war. If the US could cause enough destruction that could easily force terrorists to give up completely or surrender all together.

    History has proven that when we show our military capabilities - surrender or at least communication follows that, and when that occurs mediation follows.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    IF we used our full might against these terrorists I think they would think twice before abducting young woman, hanging pregnant woman, hanging homosexuals and others accused of having sexual relations before marriage, stoning woman etc...

    I understand war is usually strategic, however these evil ****s need to be taught a lesson - we bomb the **** out of every "cave" they reside in. All their camps, weapons stockpiles etc.... All the US does is bomb assets - when that does nothing more than piss people off because they believe the "evil" Jewish loving US has taken their power and water away - so it is quite easy to manipulate people in those positions to hate the United States - despite the fact we're not there to kill civilians (unlike any military in this world)....

    As bad and barbaric as it sounds - war - or at least bombing the **** out of a nation ends war. If the US could cause enough destruction that could easily force terrorists to give up completely or surrender all together.

    History has proven that when we show our military capabilities - surrender or at least communication follows that, and when that occurs mediation follows.
    This is a pipe dream. Never will this happen. For one thing, the humanitarian outrage would be huge. For another thing, people in our country are just not interested enough in this to unleash ALL of our power on it. I think terrorism would have to become a much bigger problem HERE on our soil before the people would agree to such an approach.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Whether you want to admit it or not, putting pressure on the Nigerian government is doing something, and the Nigerian government IS doing something about it now, aren't they?
    A) sort of. They don't seem to be interested in buffing up the 7th Division, or reestablishing the Joint Task Force, or even that interested in really integrating US/UK assistance into operations. It seems that mostly what they are doing is trying to look like they are doing something.

    B) But not from international tweet campaigns, but rather domestic pressure - Goodluck has an election next year, and his large failures (endemic corruption, a subsidy removal that was handled abysmally, loss of confidence of the rest of the government, a dropped amnesty program for Delta groups) leave him without much of a fudge factor. Even then it seems that if you protest him, his wife will have you arrested. Nice.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) sort of. They don't seem to be interested in buffing up the 7th Division, or reestablishing the Joint Task Force, or even that interested in really integrating US/UK assistance into operations. It seems that mostly what they are doing is trying to look like they are doing something.

    B) But not from international tweet campaigns, but rather domestic pressure - Goodluck has an election next year, and his large failures (endemic corruption, a subsidy removal that was handled abysmally, loss of confidence of the rest of the government, a dropped amnesty program for Delta groups) leave him without much of a fudge factor. Even then it seems that if you protest him, his wife will have you arrested. Nice.
    No one is claiming the Nigerian government is going to change overnight. However, this campaign is not HARMING anyone, so I don't know why you take such an issue with it.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No one is claiming the Nigerian government is going to change overnight. However, this campaign is not HARMING anyone, so I don't know why you take such an issue with it.
    On the contrary. By taking the outrage that should be funneled towards action and diverting it instead to self-expression, it is harming someone - namely, the current and future victims of Boko Haram. By replacing action with expression we indicate that the subject is not our focus, but rather ourselves; self-congratulation as a basis for foreign policy.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary. By taking the outrage that should be funneled towards action and diverting it instead to self-expression, it is harming someone - namely, the current and future victims of Boko Haram. By replacing action with expression we indicate that the subject is not our focus, but rather ourselves; self-congratulation as a basis for foreign policy.
    I don't see it that way. I see it as a way of rallying people around a cause, and there is nothing wrong with that, nor does it hurt anyone. You're claims are kind of stupid. To bring attention to a HUGE problem is not harming anyone at all.

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