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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'd like to add to my last post and say that I still can't help but want to help the girls.
    Fantastic. So you support boots on the ground with a task force dedicated to the multi-year task of grinding out Boko Haram and getting their victims back?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    You know what grinds my gears? Famous actors standing and staring solemnly at the camera, holding a hand written sign that says, "Real men don't buy women"/"real men don't buy girls"....as if that will somehow affect any sort of change in the situation.

    That isn't activism. That isn't taking a stand. That's expending the most minute amount of energy possible to paint yourself in a good light with the fan base and make it look like you care without actually doing anything of real significance.

    The same goes for Michelle's little "bring back our girls" (or whatever) sign. Really?

    You think some asshole sicko who is willing to kidnap young women is going to see your sad little face with your pathetic little sign trending on Instagram and all of a sudden have a change of heart?
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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You know what grinds my gears? Famous actors standing and staring solemnly at the camera, holding a hand written sign that says, "Real men don't buy women"/"real men don't buy girls"....as if that will somehow affect any sort of change in the situation.

    That isn't activism. That isn't taking a stand. That's expending the most minute amount of energy possible to paint yourself in a good light with the fan base and make it look like you care without actually doing anything of real significance.

    The same goes for Michelle's little "bring back our girls" (or whatever) sign. Really?

    You think some asshole sicko who is willing to kidnap young women is going to see your sad little face with your pathetic little sign trending on Instagram and all of a sudden have a change of heart?
    Although I can agree that some people probably have their own selfish reasons for throwing their support behind such a cause, I think the point of this campaign is to garner support and to put pressure on the Nigerian government to start doing something about these things instead of just allowing them to happen.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fantastic. So you support boots on the ground with a task force dedicated to the multi-year task of grinding out Boko Haram and getting their victims back?
    I never said that. I'm tired of you making these bogus claims of things I never said.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I never said that. I'm tired of you making these bogus claims of things I never said.
    You said you wanted to help the girls. If you actually want to do that, that's how you go about doing it.

    If you aren't willing to dedicate the resources necessary to actually help out the girls, then you don't want to help the girls - you want to be seen as wanting to help the girls or you want the positive self-regard that will come from telling yourself that you want to help the girls.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You know what grinds my gears? Famous actors standing and staring solemnly at the camera, holding a hand written sign that says, "Real men don't buy women"/"real men don't buy girls"....as if that will somehow affect any sort of change in the situation.

    That isn't activism. That isn't taking a stand. That's expending the most minute amount of energy possible to paint yourself in a good light with the fan base and make it look like you care without actually doing anything of real significance.

    The same goes for Michelle's little "bring back our girls" (or whatever) sign. Really?

    You think some asshole sicko who is willing to kidnap young women is going to see your sad little face with your pathetic little sign trending on Instagram and all of a sudden have a change of heart?
    But, but, but they took a picture! Looking very concerned!

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Although I can agree that some people probably have their own selfish reasons for throwing their support behind such a cause, I think the point of this campaign is to garner support and to put pressure on the Nigerian government to start doing something about these things instead of just allowing them to happen.
    The Nigerian government, at current, does not have the ability to fight and win against Boko Haram. It's not that they are not choosing to, it's that they lack (at current) the capacity. Our tweets are irrelevant to that.

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh. You think that Goodluck Jonathan cares about our tweets enough to turn his method of governance upside down and alienate the only power bases he has left in that country? That's nice.
    It's pressure from the international community. I suppose you'd rather just do nothing?

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's pressure from the international community. I suppose you'd rather just do nothing?
    No, I'd rather get a partial written out exception to the Leahy amendment which would allow us to spin up a training/advising with a CT component buried inside. The whole "boots on the ground" thing. Because "pressure from the international community" is meaningless when it isn't tied to anything. If you have no carrot, and you have no stick, you have no incentives. Tweets aren't "pressure", even tweets from First Ladies. They are just feel-good-ism, like signing a petition that will go nowhere. Sign the petition that says that you also think that Boko Haram is bad! Hooray, now you're an activist! You're "doing something"! Yay!

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    Re: Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, I'd rather get a partial written out exception to the Leahy amendment which would allow us to spin up a training/advising with a CT component buried inside. The whole "boots on the ground" thing. Because "pressure from the international community" is meaningless when it isn't tied to anything. If you have no carrot, and you have no stick, you have no incentives. Tweets aren't "pressure", even tweets from First Ladies. They are just feel-good-ism, like signing a petition that will go nowhere. Sign the petition that says that you also think that Boko Haram is bad! Hooray, now you're an activist! You're "doing something"! Yay!
    Whether you want to admit it or not, putting pressure on the Nigerian government is doing something, and the Nigerian government IS doing something about it now, aren't they?

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