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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

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    Why The Other Ranchers Support Cliven Bundy – statement from Kena Lytle Gloeckner, Nevada rancher

    There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years.

    The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not.

    What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following:

    “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc.

    The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to.

    Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

    In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years.

    As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%.

    In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada.

    Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM.
    That sounds like a problem the problem is government stupidity, not the same thing as tyranny.
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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    So the answer is no you can't.
    I am not going back over this. see post #9 pretty much explains how they have driven off nearly all the ranchers from Nevada.
    Whatever pay more for your beef i care not.

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    The U.S. cattle herd has shrunk for the fifth straight year to a 60-year low, a government report showed on Friday, as a devastating drought and record high feed costs hit production, which will likely mean even higher beef prices for consumers.



    One of the worst droughts since the Dust Bowl days in the 1930s plagued the top cattle state of Texas for more than a year. In addition cattle producers there and in other states faced high feed costs as corn prices in June soared to a record of almost $8 per bushel (all prices US$).

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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That sounds like a problem the problem is government stupidity, not the same thing as tyranny.

    .gov is not stupid

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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    .gov is not stupid
    Government buracracy is infamous for being problematic. Agencies cannot walk one step with leaving a paper trail.
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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In light of the Bundy dust up, and on going kerfuffle, so much misinformation, and mis-characterization of just what is going on within our government out west I thought it would be useful to highlight yet another case of the BLM just changing the rules, and grabbing land.

    Now, I know that in the Bundy case it was supposedly over unpaid fees, or fines, but that could just be the excuse....Tell me what this guy did?
    Well, he bought a piece of property that has naturally changing boundaries (he knew this when he bought it). All such land should be eminent domained, paid for and owned/managed by the feds. This keeps the states from fighting for ownership and allows the federal to do what the federal should be doing. This particular fellow should be paid the 1984 price of the land.

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bundy situation.

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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    I am not going back over this. see post #9 pretty much explains how they have driven off nearly all the ranchers from Nevada.
    Whatever pay more for your beef i care not.

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    The U.S. cattle herd has shrunk for the fifth straight year to a 60-year low, a government report showed on Friday, as a devastating drought and record high feed costs hit production, which will likely mean even higher beef prices for consumers.



    One of the worst droughts since the Dust Bowl days in the 1930s plagued the top cattle state of Texas for more than a year. In addition cattle producers there and in other states faced high feed costs as corn prices in June soared to a record of almost $8 per bushel (all prices US$).
    So the BLM has to decrease the AUMs due to there being less grass as a result of a drought... so it's the governments Obama's fault there is a drought? Dastardly.

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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, he bought a piece of property that has naturally changing boundaries (he knew this when he bought it). All such land should be eminent domained, paid for and owned/managed by the feds. This keeps the states from fighting for ownership and allows the federal to do what the federal should be doing. This particular fellow should be paid the 1984 price of the land.

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bundy situation.
    Ok, could you explain to me what "naturally changing boundaries" means? And also, why the 1984 price? Shouldn't he be paid today's market value? I mean after all any improvements, maintenance, or care for that land to keep it up has been paid by him in addition to all of his fees, and taxes.

    Do you think it proper that the government just walk on your land one day and tell you that this part of your property that you've paid taxes on, is just no longer yours? In any other situation we'd call that stealing.
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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In light of the Bundy dust up, and on going kerfuffle, so much misinformation, and mis-characterization of just what is going on within our government out west I thought it would be useful to highlight yet another case of the BLM just changing the rules, and grabbing land.

    Now, I know that in the Bundy case it was supposedly over unpaid fees, or fines, but that could just be the excuse....Tell me what this guy did?


    what about the land grab of Texas farmers and ranchers for the XL pipeline. people dont have a problem with that.


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    Re: Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    what about the land grab of Texas farmers and ranchers for the XL pipeline. people dont have a problem with that.
    At least there is a public use for that. Something that can easily compensated for, and we aren't talking about hundreds of acres of one particular persons property either.

    So, one would be constitutional, the other just government over reach.
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