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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Parties are the problem, not the solution.
    they are the only thing that allows us to play the game of politics.

    there is no other way.
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then why does the libertarian party never try to win local elections first?
    Because we cant. There arent enough of us.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because we cant. There arent enough of us.
    then there are two options: try harder, or moderate the message to attract more voters.
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then there are two options: try harder, or moderate the message to attract more voters.
    The far left did it by infiltrating the Democrats while the Libertarians and the Tea Party are trying to influence the Republicans. That's easier than starting a new party.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    they are the only thing that allows us to play the game of politics.

    there is no other way.
    Then how did the world possibly exist before 1600s?

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then there are two options: try harder, or moderate the message to attract more voters.
    Or seperate and form our own country. Why would we want to give authority to two ideologies fundamentally opposed to liberty?

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then how did the world possibly exist before 1600s?
    i am talking about todays politics.

    not 1600s era politics
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Case in point. All you care about is winning. Youre just as bad as the people you hate.
    Winning as opposed to what? Empty gestures? Yes, I'd rather choose between the lesser of bad options than cast a meaningless vote, and in a general election where the third party has a functionally 0% chance of winning, a vote for that candidate is a meaningless vote IMO.

    And you're wrong anyway - instant run off voting is a way to increase the odds of independents/third parties WINNING. I see it as a necessary FIRST step to supporting third party candidates in major elections.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As long as people like you and your brethren continue to send pieces of **** to congress, we will continue to get what we have.

    I dont care if you vote Libertarian and I have no illusions on their chances. They are a better alternative to voting lock step for garbage. You dont challenge your party. Partisan republicans dont challenge their party. As a result they are free to act in the interest of party and not country.

    There are things about the Libertarian party I dont agree with. You never have to agree on every issue. I think many peoples ideas on a 'real' Libertarian government are foolish. Great in fairy tale land but not practical in the real world. Thats one of the reasons why the Libertarians remain a non player, even though the libertarian message of increased personal freedom and smaller more responsible federal government resonates with so many people.
    Voting for a third party doesn't affect the pieces of **** we send to Congress a bit. You think they care if we don't vote, or vote for a guy who pulls 5%?

    And I think you're wrong about people 'challenging' the parties. The Tea party, as much as I oppose that agenda, has changed the GOP. You can't look at the so-called RINOs ejected from Congress and conclude otherwise. That's how it has to be done, not with long shots running doomed campaigns from third parties. Similar challenges to corporate democrats are happening all over the country in blue states and districts. Maybe you think if people 'challenging' the status quo don't WIN that it's not a real challenge. It is even when the 'reform' candidate loses. And as I said, I vote my conscience in the primary - that is where in my view the 'challenge' has to happen.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or seperate and form our own country. Why would we want to give authority to two ideologies fundamentally opposed to liberty?
    You can't win local elections and build a national party, but you're going to successfully form your own country..... That should work!

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