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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    yes because it never happened before, but this is not so much a lie as a way of not focusing on the unimportant. It is like saying that when I pick a flower from a bed I contributed to its destruction even though the neighbor's dog tore up the other 30 flowers.


    A lie on a Sunday would be for example: Saddam as WsMD and we know where they are or they will treat us like liberators or the fundamentals of the economy are strong.....
    Unless they believed it to be true (or its an opinion), in which case its not a lie. As in your example.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course you love it. You look at the two parties and think yours is actually HELPING.
    I'm choosing between the two available choices, and it's my view that the GOP (and right wing in general) is pursuing ends that are actively destructive and has no positive agenda at all. I'm not naive enough to believe that as a rule, results under Democrats are much better, but the difference is Republicans openly embrace the faults that Democrats try to hide - namely that they're owned and respond only to the interests of the plutocrats.

    And I am sympathetic to libertarian ideas, but as a practical matter believe they'd be disastrous if applied in the real world. A simple example why is pollution. Libertarians would eliminate the EPA, and then assert that people damaged by pollution simply sue to protect their own property rights and to get reimbursed when a polluter damages them. OK, great plan. But in general the harm I can demonstrate in court from, say, dirty air is either small (harder to breath, cannot see the nearby mountains) or hard to prove (lung disease can be caused by many factors, how do I prove it was pollution, and specifically the defendant's pollution, that caused my cancer - could be pollution from this other business... etc.). And a big polluter can, with ease, tie me up in court for years, require me to spend $100s of thousands or $millions, to prove damage and then survive appeals. Obviously, a lawsuit only makes sense if it's a class action suit. But right wingers want to make those suits harder to bring, and limit damages when plaintiffs win. Also, libertarians support the ability of polluters to spend unlimited sums to elect officials, including the judges, who would hear those suits. Obviously that tilts the odds against plaintiffs even more. I could go on...

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Threads like this really are the comedy dose we can all use at the start of a day. I know I've had a pretty good laugh at some of the posters here this morning. Which ones? Well the thread did not even make it to the bottom of the first page of scroll before we had Bush dragged into it. But the best part of it all? The cadre of clueless posters who are making the argument that "(insert name) lied about (insert claim) on (insert date/show name)". You just have to wonder, do these geniuses of debate have a clue that they are tacitly admitting that Geithner was told to lie by the White House then? With this "logic" of theirs? Apparently not. I'd bet real money that if you could point that out to them, they would then proceed to collectively say, nuh uh.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm choosing between the two available choices, and it's my view that the GOP (and right wing in general) is pursuing ends that are actively destructive and has no positive agenda at all. I'm not naive enough to believe that as a rule, results under Democrats are much better, but the difference is Republicans openly embrace the faults that Democrats try to hide - namely that they're owned and respond only to the interests of the plutocrats.

    And I am sympathetic to libertarian ideas, but as a practical matter believe they'd be disastrous if applied in the real world. A simple example why is pollution. Libertarians would eliminate the EPA, and then assert that people damaged by pollution simply sue to protect their own property rights and to get reimbursed when a polluter damages them. OK, great plan. But in general the harm I can demonstrate in court from, say, dirty air is either small (harder to breath, cannot see the nearby mountains) or hard to prove (lung disease can be caused by many factors, how do I prove it was pollution, and specifically the defendant's pollution, that caused my cancer - could be pollution from this other business... etc.). And a big polluter can, with ease, tie me up in court for years, require me to spend $100s of thousands or $millions, to prove damage and then survive appeals. Obviously, a lawsuit only makes sense if it's a class action suit. But right wingers want to make those suits harder to bring, and limit damages when plaintiffs win. Also, libertarians support the ability of polluters to spend unlimited sums to elect officials, including the judges, who would hear those suits. Obviously that tilts the odds against plaintiffs even more. I could go on...
    So deceiving people about corruption is better than being honest about it? Such that you vote for the former?

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The most transparent administration in history wanted one of their own to lie?

    I'm shocked.

    or not.
    This is where you are dead wrong...

    This administration is very transparent... I can clearly see their deception and lies a mile away... They don't hide it well at all.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The most transparent administration in history wanted one of their own to lie?

    I'm shocked.

    or not.



    It is only your absolute bias that prevents you from seeing how this IS transparent.....



    transparently fraudulent.
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Your reply brings up an unfortunately, common problem, with the right. You ask for empirical proof of faux news' lack of credibility but accept none of it because of confirmation bias. What evidence, by what source would you accept?


    And this perpetuates the myth...

    To reverse the debate to one of the right demanding proof [thanks for the buzzword "empirical"] of the "lack" of bias is dishonest.

    and typical of the academic based socialist ideologue. You simply cannot prove a negative. Ever, even in the socialist universe.


    YOU must first show what can be shown, that FOX is biased in its news reporting, as, I believe has been adequately demonstrated that "Media Matters" is a self described left wing ideological outlet with no distinction made between news and op ed.

    and there is where the left continues to fail, one is not knowing the difference and two, not actually watching Fox, it's news OR opinion shows, but rather repeat the talking point meme...
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So deceiving people about corruption is better than being honest about it? Such that you vote for the former?
    That's not what I'm saying - the GOP isn't honest about the corruption.

    They don't say that ALEC, for example, is a collection of corporate lobbyists that write bills and hand them to GOPer legislators to pass as is in the various state houses. What I recognize is that is what ALEC does and GOPers pass those bills. There is no ALEC equivalent on the democratic side. The Senate might pass TPP, but if it does it will be because nearly all GOPers support it and a few democrats cross over to get to 60. And Obama might even sign the TPP, but the opposition to Obama will coming from democrats who haven't completely sold out, not republicans. Same with Keystone.

    But more than anything, I'm just pointing out that I have to vote for the least bad option. It's not a hard choice, but that doesn't mean I pretend the democratic option is somehow good and pure and uncorrupted by influence of powerful interests, just that I'd prefer getting 20% of what I want instead of 100% of all I don't want.

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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Back to Geithner.

    The little tax cheat was told to lie. Shocking.
    Did he admit that he gladly did it?
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    Re: Geithner: White House Wanted Me to Lie on Sunday Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not what I'm saying - the GOP isn't honest about the corruption.

    They don't say that ALEC, for example, is a collection of corporate lobbyists that write bills and hand them to GOPer legislators to pass as is in the various state houses. What I recognize is that is what ALEC does and GOPers pass those bills. There is no ALEC equivalent on the democratic side. The Senate might pass TPP, but if it does it will be because nearly all GOPers support it and a few democrats cross over to get to 60. And Obama might even sign the TPP, but the opposition to Obama will coming from democrats who haven't completely sold out, not republicans. Same with Keystone.

    But more than anything, I'm just pointing out that I have to vote for the least bad option. It's not a hard choice, but that doesn't mean I pretend the democratic option is somehow good and pure and uncorrupted by influence of powerful interests, just that I'd prefer getting 20% of what I want instead of 100% of all I don't want.
    So you intentionally embrace the dishonest party that screws you over 80% of the time, because at least you arent getting screwed 100% of the time. Can you understand why we independents shake our heads?

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