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Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

A still large part of the country really DOES have a problem with being gay. Bryan Fischer must speak for someone, and he has equated being gay with the Hitler SS, muses that we should treat homosexuals like drug addicts, which means they convert or go to jail, there are evangelicals assisting foreign countries in passing legislation that makes being gay a crime punishable with jail time, and more. Whenever gay marriage is a topic, you'll hear comparisons of them to pedophiles, or people who like having sex with animals. I could go on, but the point is bigotry is still real and still a big and accepted attitude among large swaths of America. I live where being a anti-gay bigot is a good thing when you run for office.

We have come a long way.

Drama.
 
I think the point went right over your head. Something can be immoral and legal at the same time

Then where's the uproar about when straight people do it. Because they do, I assure you.
 
Sam, great person wonderful man.
Tebow, outcast.
Shows exactly where our nation is heading.
 
I thought Sam hurt his cause greatly on Saturday.

by showing emotion?

Bursting into tears is fine. And being there with his boyfriend was OK, too. We've seen these scenes with family, friends, and significant others play out over and over. I thought the goal was for this to be accepted like any other player being drafted, and it easily could have been, but unfortunately, it wasn't.

yes because being first at something, breaking a barrier should be done quietly?


No, Sam and his main squeeze had to gay it up for the cameras in flamboyant style, complete with
a marriage-ready face cake-smush and sloppy mug-down for all the cameras to flash across America. Couldn't just celebrate being drafted like a typical football player. Thankfully, they cut the cameras before Sam bent Blondie over the table for a quickie.

And how is this not bigoted garbage.......so any player who kissed his girlfriend you feel the same way? What about that not-NFL ready Johnny who has his own logo?


If only the gay community would settle for just being gay. Nobody really cares or has a problem with that. We really don't. But it's stupid to "celebrate" that a man prefers sex with men instead of women, as if this requires some sort of aptitude or higher learning achievement. So he really likes screwing guys. Congratulations, I guess? This incessant need to be on stage waterboarding the country with gaydom 24/7 is borderline psychotic.

so you want people to be gay as long as they are in the closet? Ummmm the 1950s are over.


Bottom line is, this "acceptance" that seems so important has already been reached. Nobody cares that much. However, it's still damn awkward and funny, and it always will be. Jokes and laughs were shared across the U.S. Gay people are funny, unless you have a 6-year-old watching that you really weren't ready to have that conversation with.

What would be the conversation. Son: Dad those two men kissed. Dad: Yes son, some men like men like I like your mom. Son: Okay....will he be a good player. Why shouldn't it go like that?


If you want gay to be normal, then act normal about it. Be men, not staged actors in a bad Lifetime movie.

I am sorry you hate people showing emotion.....I look forward to your rants about virtually everyone picked on Thursday night.............
 
Sam, great person wonderful man.
Tebow, outcast.
Shows exactly where our nation is heading.

What did Tebow do first exactly? Was he the first Christian in the NFL? Was he the first white guy? Was he the first guy who put up gaudy numbers in college and disappointed in the NFL? Was he the first guy from the University of Florida? Maybe he's the first NFL player born in the Phillipines...but it's not like he's Filipino.
 
What did Tebow do first exactly? Was he the first Christian in the NFL? Was he the first white guy? Was he the first guy who put up gaudy numbers in college and disappointed in the NFL? Was he the first guy from the University of Florida? Maybe he's the first NFL player born in the Phillipines...but it's not like he's Filipino.

No, he was the first white player to exalt God after scoring, proclaim his virginity, do mission work in the off season. He made no bones about his Christianity and was proud of the person he felt it made him.
Also, how many NFL "busts" took a team to a play off win?
Unorthodox throwing motion? Yea, so what? He is a winner and a dedicated player.
 

What does that mean? You think being gay in America in 2014 has no downside? Do you know any gay people? Do you know any of them still disowned by their parents? Etc.
 
That is akin to this...

Have you beaten the wife yet today?

Well, the mods have said don't discuss this anymore, and I will honor that because it's very important that their function be respected. I mean that.

If you really want to discuss the matter, open a thread, and we can discuss it at length.
 
What does that mean? You think being gay in America in 2014 has no downside? Do you know any gay people? Do you know any of them still disowned by their parents? Etc.

Yes, they should ban disownment of children for being gay. They should criminalize gay jokes altogether. They should pass a law that says it is illegal to consider being gay odd in any way. In fact, it should be required that half of all children be gay so it's fair.

What is it you want?

Being gay isn't normal. It's not illegal, but it's just odd. Always will be. With 7 billion people in the world, you get some mutated genes here and there. No biggie.

Look-at-me drama. That's what 95 percent of this is about.
 
Sam, great person wonderful man.
Tebow, outcast.
Shows exactly where our nation is heading.

Tebow was a mediocre NFL player who got cache because he wore his Christianity on his sleeve. He was a favorite of many with good cause because he was so anti to the image many wrongly have of the NFL. But you see it was easier to dislike him when, for example, he was traded and Christians wished Payton Manning would break his leg in the first game he played in Denver.

Tebow has had many doors opened to him like many Christian athletes and conservative athletes in the past. Almost every NFL game starts and ends with prayer. Tebow was special because he was a Christian who played football nor a football player who was Christian, and that is how he acted. IF he had been good he would be leading a team right now. He wasn't. What he is a good man, with a bright future and frankly is no comparison.

Sam is going to try out....it is a pickem if he makes the team. If he were great for the NFL then this discussion would be different. What I hope is does is help others come out. That would really be a stunner to the bigots.
 
Yes, they should ban disownment of children for being gay. They should criminalize gay jokes altogether. They should pass a law that says it is illegal to consider being gay odd in any way. In fact, it should be required that half of all children be gay so it's fair.

What is it you want?

Being gay isn't normal. It's not illegal, but it's just odd. Always will be. With 7 billion people in the world, you get some mutated genes here and there. No biggie.

Look-at-me drama. That's what 95 percent of this is about.
Criminalize gay jokes?????? Hahahahaha, yea that pesky first amendment is a downer.
 
No, he was the first white player to exalt God after scoring,

Bull****

proclaim his virginity,

so

do mission work in the off season
.

ummm no not true

He made no bones about his Christianity and was proud of the person he felt it made him.

true...

Also, how many NFL "busts" took a team to a play off win?

they did that despite him playing, in fact how did they do without him?

Unorthodox throwing motion? Yea, so what? He is a winner and a dedicated player.

Except he wasn't good.
 
Bull****



so

.

ummm no not true



true...



they did that despite him playing, in fact how did they do without him?



Except he wasn't good.

Um they were barely .500 without him. And yes he did mission work. Post another pic of a white player doing something similar after scoring or winning. I have been watching football for many many years and cant think of one. Lots of black players do something, like point to the sky and they get no guff for it.
 
What did Tebow do first exactly? Was he the first Christian in the NFL? Was he the first white guy? Was he the first guy who put up gaudy numbers in college and disappointed in the NFL? Was he the first guy from the University of Florida? Maybe he's the first NFL player born in the Phillipines...but it's not like he's Filipino.

No, he was just the first guy to get insulted, degraded, mocked, laughed out, and generally deingrated because he's a Christian.
 
No, he was just the first guy to get insulted, degraded, mocked, laughed out, and generally deingrated because he's a Christian.

Best thing for him would have been to be arrested in a hotel room with some hookers and blow. One game suspension and multi year many millions in contracts.
 
No, he was the first white player to exalt God after scoring, proclaim his virginity, do mission work in the off season. He made no bones about his Christianity and was proud of the person he felt it made him.

No he wasn't. Kurt Warner regularly talked about his faith and made no bones about it. I don't think he proclaimed his virginity since he was married, but he wasn't shy about his faith, and he was proud of the person it made him.

Kurt Warner was also a better player than Tebow ever was. Tebow had the opportunity to play in the Arena league this year (Gene Simmons wanted him on the LA Kiss). If Tebow was anything like Warner, he'd be playing somewhere - Arena Football, CFL...and he'd have faith that his abilities would shine through and that he'd get another shot. Doug Flutie is another example, and probably closer to Tebow than Warner - looked great in college but was never really deemed to pan out in the NFL. He went to Canada, succeeded and got another shot in the NFL.
 
No he wasn't. Kurt Warner regularly talked about his faith and made no bones about it. I don't think he proclaimed his virginity since he was married, but he wasn't shy about his faith, and he was proud of the person it made him.

Kurt Warner was also a better player than Tebow ever was. Tebow had the opportunity to play in the Arena league this year (Gene Simmons wanted him on the LA Kiss). If Tebow was anything like Warner, he'd be playing somewhere - Arena Football, CFL...and he'd have faith that his abilities would shine through and that he'd get another shot. Doug Flutie is another example, and probably closer to Tebow than Warner - looked great in college but was never really deemed to pan out in the NFL. He went to Canada, succeeded and got another shot in the NFL.
But Warner had the whole back story. Grocery bagger to Super Bowl Champ. Tebow don't want to go to Arena or CFL, and I agree that is a mistake.
 
There are plenty of players who prayed on the field and thanked God long before Mr. Tebow planted the little swimmers into Mrs. Tebow.

Steve Largent and Jim Zorn were famous for just that. And there were plenty long before them too.
 
But Warner had the whole back story. Grocery bagger to Super Bowl Champ. Tebow don't want to go to Arena or CFL, and I agree that is a mistake.

Why is it a mistake? I think it's a bigger mistake for him to wait for that NFL contract to materialize rather than going and proving they were wrong. Tebow had opportunities in New York and New England, but couldn't manage to make either work. I don't know why, but you'd think that he'd have gotten a chance to replace Sanchez, and should have been a shoo-in to backup Tom Brady.
 
I know nothing about his football abilities. He won awards in college but pro scouts have said he's not very athletic and his performance at the combine was mediocre. He said he wanted to be known as a football player, not a gay football player. Having said that, he probably could have done without kissing his boyfriend on national TV. I'll be surprised if he makes the final roster. I won't be surprised if he becomes a distraction for the team. Seventh rounders are generally training camp fodder.
 
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