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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Same with Saba. Please tell me what barriers existed 10 years ago for an openly gay player to be picked or drafted onto a team? Did the NFL change its rules on drafting openly gay people? Does or did the NFL have any such rule, written or unwritten that would have prevented this from happening 10 years ago? The only people crying about this and making a big hubbaloo is folks like you, and Michael Sam, and a salivating media. Anyone that cares about any professional sport would welcome a gifted player onto their team, and I suspect that it matters if they were little green men from Mars, as long as they helped their team win, fans are very forgiving when it comes to winning...

    The cynic in me thinks that Michael Sam is a borderline narcissist which has been found to be way more prevalent in gay men than straight men, and Mike probably thought in a calculated move that regardless of how it all turned out, the LGBT movement would progress as a result of his declaring his sexuality prior to entering the draft. It was win/win for them, and he. When folks like you and Saba and the stupid salivating media stop making it an issue, it will no longer be one. Until then, the race hustlers like Sharpton and Co, openness about sexuality, like race, will remain an issue for those that stand to profit from it.

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    yet the fact remains that many gay players have come out AFTER they played and completely disagree with your meanignless unsupportable opinion and guesses. ANd straight players current and old support thier statments. I think Ill go with them, you know the people that actually played/play over your failed straw men.
    Just like how easy it was for 42 in baseball, everybody just loved him cause he was a good player Bwaaaaaahahaha
    WHat a completely failed, illogical, dishonest assessment. I LOVE your posts, pure entertainment.


    Keep up the good fight though! maybe somebody uneducated and nonobjective will fall for it.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Like I was saying to the other poster, of course people knew there was a potential for head injury. But at one time, I was around quite a bit of football. I just don't see how anyone can say that it was widely known that there was a large risk associated with repeated blows to the head that might not manifest themselves as injury immediately, but could have devastating effects over the long term.
    It wasn't "widely" accepted in ANY sport until the last couple or three decades. Then we saw what boxing had done to Jerry Quarry, Cassius Clay (AKA as M. Ali) among others and numerous football players etc. Not to mention car wrecks and all other on the job injuries. I've experienced several concussions during my 72 years but apparently none with lasting effects, unless they're really slow to show, knock on wood.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My current bet is he doesn't make the active roster (Rams are stacked on the D-Line) but makes someones practice squad.
    this...and probably the Rams' practice squad. I don't think they would have the balls to cut him completely after the liberal media frenzy we have seen for the last three days.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    I don't know about that.

    I don't know anyone who is actually rooting for Sam to fail.
    I think most of us are just annoyed that liberals have hijacked the offseason for political reasons. Sam is just kind of a marginal player who almost certainly won't last in the pros. That has nothing to do with his sexuality and everything to do with the fact that he's not really a professional caliber athlete. There are worse things in life than not being a future Hall of Famer.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post


    Back up links:
    Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player*-*Los Angeles Times
    Michael Sam: St. Louis Rams draft NFLís first openly gay player (updated)
    Sam becomes first openly gay player to be drafted - chicagotribune.com



    Congrats Mr. Sam! another hurdle over come. Nothign much needs said on this.
    Like all draftees I hope you have great success on the field. Good luck!



    I'm lost - he's really the only one that is openly gay? That seems odd and highly unlikely.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    I've experienced several concussions during my 72 years but apparently none with lasting effects,
    According to whom?

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm lost - he's really the only one that is openly gay? That seems odd and highly unlikely.
    Yep as far as I know hence the all the news. The key word is openly.
    Without a doubt he is the first openly gay to get drafted.

    Now if you are wondering if he is the only gay football player? of course not, im sure there are many and some have come out AFTER football.
    And there are horrible stories why they said they would have never came out from environment to players targeting other players that were even suspected of being gay (trying to hurt them on purpose)
    Now technically that is hearsay but it is back up by gays and straights alike and even straights still in the league.

    regardless I just think its a good thing that discrimination is dying down.
    If people still wanna think they are icky or gross or evil blah blah blah thats fine by me but they dont deserve lesser treatment as far as society, laws and rights are concerned.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I thought he just wanted to be a football player.

    Now he's signed with Oprah to do a reality show about his tryout with the Rams.

    Drama queen.
    This was dumb of him, and he'll get criticized by some, and rightfully so.

    And before anyone suggests that he'd be criticized only because he's gay; there was another draftee who had talks about a reality show this summer. AJ McCarron of Alabama. And the backlash was pretty scathing. People questioning his focus, people calling him a clown and other names, people calling him a distraction, and on and on.

    Hell, there was a great deal of vitriol aimed at Robert Griffin the III...#2 overall pick coming off a division championship and Rookie of the Year...simply doing a single reality documentary prior to last season. That's a guy who actually was a high, FOOTBALL relevant pick, who actually had done something in the league prior to getting into some sort of "show". And he got slammed by many.

    If Sam's TRUE focus was football then he should've waited on this. No doubts Oprah would've given him a shot later. To me, this is the first clear sign that Sam's focus...in many ways, like Tebow...is about USING football as a VEHICLE rather than Football itself. And if that's the case, no problem...his right to do that. But I don't think it's going to help his case to stay in the league, and I don't think it'll actually help the message he's trying to get across in the long run.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    His sexuality aside, he was projected to be drafted prior to his sexuality announcement. The NFL has plenty of late round and even undrafted players in their mix. He got drafted because of what he did in college and how the Rams think his game will translate to the pros. Can you really point to anything that really states that he shouldn't have been drafted and is not a professional caliber athlete? In fact he was projected slightly higher prior to this announcement.

    Gay or straight we was likely going to get drafted and there is huge gap between not a pro caliber athlete and future hall of famer. Big gap. He is in and will have every opportunity to stay just like every other rookie. He will earn his spot or lose it. You can nitpick terminology but saying that he is not a pro caliber player is really no different than what I said.
    Projections are never that important. They're done by a bunch of guys who have no real insight into team discussions and far less information then those teams. Most of the guys doing projections for networks like ESPN see little more than their local market. Still, those early projections you're talking about were done long before the Combine where Sam confirmed he was slow, small, and weak. His sexuality wasn't a factor in his drop in the projections. He dropped because of his speed, size, and strength, and he's going to be out of the league in no time for those same reasons.

    I'm not anti-Sam. I just don't see the point in pretending Sam isn't slow, small, and weak just because he now falls into the gay category.

    I think maybe the left would have a point of Jadeveon Clowney came out and dropped into the 7th round but I don't think that would ever happen. I think he could have released a video of him butt ****ing the entire South Carolina secondary and he still would have gone first overall.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by HogWash View Post
    It wasn't "widely" accepted in ANY sport until the last couple or three decades. Then we saw what boxing had done to Jerry Quarry, Cassius Clay (AKA as M. Ali) among others and numerous football players etc. Not to mention car wrecks and all other on the job injuries. I've experienced several concussions during my 72 years but apparently none with lasting effects, unless they're really slow to show, knock on wood.
    It was not common knowledge in football that repeated blows to the head, that might not be as serious as concussions, could actually create some serious problems down the road. Like I say, I can remember hitting someone so hard that I say double. I just got up, the coaches congratulated me for a good hit, and kept playing. It's only been recently that its been widely known that you have to be really careful. And even now, some people dispute that there is any substantial additional risk at all.

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