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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    I don't think there's anything wrong with being bothered by the sight of two men kissing.

    I'm sorry, but that's largely a gut reaction.

    For some people, yeah...the sight of ANY body kissing in public bothers them. For others, the sight of same sex couples bothers them. For others, perhaps it's seeing their parents kissing in public or their little sister or their grandparents. Perhaps they dislike seeing large couples, or a couple where one person is larger than the other, kissing. Perhaps if they find both people ugly they don't like seenig it. Perhaps if they're just old they don't like it. Perhaps they generally don't mind it unless it's opened mouth.

    I could go on and on.

    It's one thing to suggest people should be accepting of gay people and things relating to it. It's another thing to try and tell people that their emotional feelings inherent within them are wrong. Why is it exactly that we can tell people it's wrong to suggest people stop being attracted to the same sex, but it's perfectly okay to tell people to not be repulsed by the sight of something. Both are emotions, are bodily reactions and feelings.

    I think the over the top ridiculousness of "OMG! My poor children! They're scarred for life because they saw kids kissing" is laughable. However, the notion that "I just don't like seeing two guys kissing" is not some horrible unreasonable thing. Saying "I don't like seeing two guys kissing, but I don't mind seeing a guy and girl kiss" is not some crazy, unreasonable notion.

    Anyone who says that they'd look at any situation of a publicly shown affection...or hell, let's make it easy and just say "kiss"...and would NEVER find ANY version of it bothersome or unsettling or gross or just kind of "ugg" is probably not telling the truth imho.

    This is taking it a step too far in terms of the attempts to force "acceptance" into society.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't think there's anything wrong with being bothered by the sight of two men kissing.

    I'm sorry, but that's largely a gut reaction.

    For some people, yeah...the sight of ANY body kissing in public bothers them. For others, the sight of same sex couples bothers them. For others, perhaps it's seeing their parents kissing in public or their little sister or their grandparents. Perhaps they dislike seeing large couples, or a couple where one person is larger than the other, kissing. Perhaps if they find both people ugly they don't like seenig it. Perhaps if they're just old they don't like it. Perhaps they generally don't mind it unless it's opened mouth.

    I could go on and on.

    It's one thing to suggest people should be accepting of gay people and things relating to it. It's another thing to try and tell people that their emotional feelings inherent within them are wrong. Why is it exactly that we can tell people it's wrong to suggest people stop being attracted to the same sex, but it's perfectly okay to tell people to not be repulsed by the sight of something. Both are emotions, are bodily reactions and feelings.

    I think the over the top ridiculousness of "OMG! My poor children! They're scarred for life because they saw kids kissing" is laughable. However, the notion that "I just don't like seeing two guys kissing" is not some horrible unreasonable thing. Saying "I don't like seeing two guys kissing, but I don't mind seeing a guy and girl kiss" is not some crazy, unreasonable notion.

    Anyone who says that they'd look at any situation of a publicly shown affection...or hell, let's make it easy and just say "kiss"...and would NEVER find ANY version of it bothersome or unsettling or gross or just kind of "ugg" is probably not telling the truth imho.

    This is taking it a step too far in terms of the attempts to force "acceptance" into society.
    I couldn't agree more with this post.

    Andrew Sullivan wrote something similar with the "resignation" of Brendan Eich.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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    The harm that could be rendered from repeated blows to the head in football was not common knowledge in the 80s.

    I'm really not sure how many more ways I can say to you that it was no secret when I played football in the 1980s in high school, let alone the NFL before it sinks into your skull. Hell, the ever changing helmet technology over the last 80+ years of NFL history is a clue that the NFL was well aware of the potential for head and brain injury among its players.
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Quite frankly I don't even think he warranted a 7th round pick. I can see signing him as an undrafted rookie to see if he can hold up through camp, but his combine results were so atrocious that I doubt he will even survive the first cut.
    Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.


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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He will make the team or not based on his football abilities and performance. Regardless, some dummy will be claiming that it's because of his sexuality whichever way that goes.

    It's news because it's groundbreaking. Most people won't care about the second one. It was news when Jackie Robinson played for the Dodgers, now nobody even notices that the 2nd baseman is black. He's not the first gay to play in the NFL, he's just the first that everybody knew about beforehand.
    I agree.

    it isn't that ground breaking and the only reason it is ground breaking is because he said he was gay. big friggen deal. i am hetrosexual where is my media spotlight and everything else. there were several other hetrosexual drafts that went higher so i don't see a big deal being made over them.

    who cares if he was that it isn't the big deal that people are making out of it.

    the bigger deal will come when he gets cut if he does for not being able to perform. we will see how these same media people react. i am sure that they will call for the coach to be fired and to boycott the rams.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post


    Back up links:
    Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player*-*Los Angeles Times
    Michael Sam: St. Louis Rams draft NFLís first openly gay player (updated)
    Sam becomes first openly gay player to be drafted - chicagotribune.com



    Congrats Mr. Sam! another hurdle over come. Nothign much needs said on this.
    Like all draftees I hope you have great success on the field. Good luck!



    He'll be cut when he fails to make the roster.

    Sexual orientation does not a football player make.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    1.)He'll be cut when he fails to make the roster.
    2.) Sexual orientation does not a football player make.
    1.) this is "possible"
    2.) good thing nobody here ever suggested otherwise lol
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post

    the bigger deal will come when he gets cut if he does for not being able to perform. we will see how these same media people react. i am sure that they will call for the coach to be fired and to boycott the rams.
    Some idiot will. Just like some idiot will say he only made it because he's gay if he makes it. Unfortunately, there's no right way to go, but I think he earned the "right" to be given a chance.


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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.
    Hell, often Agents have their players hoping to go undrafted once it hits hte 7th round, because the pay difference between drafted and undrafted isn't huge and undrafted you have a better chance of going to a team that you actually want to go in because you feel you have a better chance of making the team.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Very possible. But the difference between one of the last picks and an undrafted FA isn't very much.
    In fact its even better to be a free agent because you can chose the team you want,
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