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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He was, as was pointed out, co-Defensive Player of the year in the SEC. You don't get that if you're not kind of good. Considering that his other "co-DPOY" was a top-20 pick...I'd say that getting that in the 7th round is good value if he can perform. And if he can't, it's not like you wasted a lot on him.
    Because the Pro game is VERY different from the college game. Sam proved in the NFL draft combine to be weak, slow, not agile, and couldn't jump (failing to place in the top 15 in any event) which is a very bad combo for an NFL DE. You can get away with it in college because the vast majority of the people you play against in college aren't NFL caliber talent either.
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why should it not bother him? I have nothing against it in private, but I don't think an obese man being done by a fat woman with a strap-on a very appealing sight either.
    Another person who was apparently watching a completely different draft than the rest of us. Which round had the obese guy being done by a fat woman with a strap-on?

    I'm really going to have to pick up my watching of the draft.


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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    Actually most people are pretty clear about understanding he may not make the team and we saw that clearly with the NBA player who wasn't on a team most of the season after he came out. As for being a big deal, if you don't think it is fine, most real sports fans and people who like freedom from oppression do.
    freedom of oppression you guys are great.

    if he doesn't make the team i figure it will have little to do with him being gay and him just not having the skills to play the position up to expectations.

    Yes and the ones before had to stay in the closet....we hope this will make that concept obsolete. Thus the big deal.
    has nothing to do with what i said but ol well.

    He is normal and gay and we hope for a day when this isn't a big deal.
    the only people making a big deal about it is people like you. To everyone else he is a mid-level 7th rounder no that big of a deal.

    but you do....you don't like that him being gay is important to people.
    because it isn't that big of a deal. being gay doesn't give you some special brand that you get a cookie or anything or make you special above someone else.
    more so all the media attention he is getting for going in the 7th round.


    You should have watched the 2-7th rounds there were a lot of people who cared. We will call them NORMAL football fans.
    seeing how ratings decline after the first night they would tend to disagree with you. i am sure there are some really dedicated fans that watch after the 2 maybe 3 round but after that viewership really drops off.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

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    Actually Conchita's not a transsexual. It's a show, but the guy playing her doesn't tend to do that in his off-stage life (AFAIK).

    The beard is a bit shocking though...
    When I see a biological male dressed and looking as female as Conchita, I think trans. Whatever the designation, he even admits to doing it for the shock value and trying to bring acceptance for dual gender status. To be honest, I'm still confused by females, so adding other gender types doesn't help me.
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because the Pro game is VERY different from the college game. Sam proved in the NFL draft combine to be weak and slow which is a very bad combo for an NFL linebacker. You can get away with it in college because the vast majority of the people you play against in college aren't NFL caliber talent either.
    Thus, the 7th round. I'm not saying he necessarily deserved to go higher. I'm saying that a guy who was co-DPOY in the SEC probably deserves a late round flyer.


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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    freedom of oppression you guys are great.

    if he doesn't make the team i figure it will have little to do with him being gay and him just not having the skills to play the position up to expectations.


    has nothing to do with what i said but ol well.


    the only people making a big deal about it is people like you. To everyone else he is a mid-level 7th rounder no that big of a deal.

    He will make the team or not based on his football abilities and performance. Regardless, some dummy will be claiming that it's because of his sexuality whichever way that goes.

    It's news because it's groundbreaking. Most people won't care about the second one. It was news when Jackie Robinson played for the Dodgers, now nobody even notices that the 2nd baseman is black. He's not the first gay to play in the NFL, he's just the first that everybody knew about beforehand.


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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The NFL not studying it unto 1994 and not recognizing it until 2010 does not mean it wasn't widely assumed before that. Like I said, the NFL was trying to limit head trauma even back in the 80s and everyone I knew who played the game knew what was going on. The NFL has been late to the party on both counts mostly because it would be costly to admit something was wrong.
    If it was widely assumed to be true, there would have been no need to study it. In fact the results of the first scientific study of the phenomenon on football players was released in 2000

    Concussions may spell later trouble for football players

    The first scientific survey of head injuries in professional football players suggests that head trauma from the sport may lead to later neurological problems.

    Research presented at the American Academy of Neurology's 52nd Annual Meeting in San Diego, CA, April 29 -- May 6, 2000, indicates that more than half of retired players surveyed had experienced concussions. As a group, these players were more likely to have neurological complaints, ranging from memory problems to numbness in their extremities, later in life.

    "Although a great deal is written in the lay press about this issue in football, there is little documentation in the medical literature," said Barry Jordan, MD, director of the Brain Injury Program at Burke Rehabilitation Hospital in White Plains, NY, and primary author of the study. "Our investigation was undertaken as a first step in determining the magnitude of the problem among retired players."

    Concerned that football players may suffer lasting damage from the repeated head blows and occasional concussions unavoidable in the sport, the National Football League Players Association provided the funds that allowed Jordan and coauthor Julian Bailes, MD, of Orlando, FL, to survey 1,090 former pro players.

    According to the surveys completed by the players, 60 percent had suffered at least one concussion during their amateur or professional careers, and 26 percent reported three or more concussions.

    When compared to players who did not report any concussions, the group with one or more concussions reported significantly more neurological symptoms. These included problems with memory and concentration, confusion, speech or hearing difficulties, numbness or tingling in extremities, and headaches.

    The researchers point out that the survey form covered a range of general health questions. The players were not told that it was designed to uncover neurological problems, so it is unlikely that players who reported concussions were over-reporting neurological symptoms.

    Concussion, by the current medical definition, is a temporary and completely reversible malfunction of the brain following a head trauma that does not produce an obvious injury, such as intracranial bleeding or bruising. Some researchers believe loss of consciousness, motor problems and disorientation that can follow the head trauma do not signal any long-term effects on the brain. However the cumulative and long-term neurological effect of repeated blows to the head has become a major medical concern in contact sports.

    Many neurologists are convinced that concussions, as well as repeated blows to the head, do lasting damage, even if the evidence for it is still only anecdotal. The most commonly cited anecdotal example is the "punch-drunk" syndrome of speech and movement impairments and other abnormalities seen in some retired boxers.

    "Our results should be interpreted with caution because they were obtained from a questionnaire," said Jordan. "Further research is needed, and the next step would be to conduct a follow-up study on football players reporting neurological problems to determine if they exhibit clinical evidence of neurological impairment. Those with impairment would be compared to those without impairment in order to determine possible risk factors."

    If the results of this study are borne out by follow-up work, said Jordan, it would mean that football players need to be tested regularly to determine whether they are experiencing neurological symptoms.
    Concussions may spell later trouble for football players

    To see how the "common knowledge" has evolved

    Until a few years ago, “getting your bell rung” was no big deal, and the medical advice was to let a player reenter a game as soon as he felt better. That ethos began changing as doctors became more aware of “second impact syndrome,” in which a player who’s suffered a concussion can risk catastrophic injury if he sustains another head injury before the first one has completely healed. By the late 1990s, studies revealed that players’ cognitive function could take weeks to be restored after a head injury and that dangers could persist even after that restoration, causing doctors over time to become much more cautious in treating sports concussions.

    This awareness has transformed how football is coached and played. Coaches at all levels now undergo training to recognize concussion symptoms (which include dizziness, headache, and confusion). Teams require signed doctor’s notes before sidelined kids can return to play. Coaches spend more time teaching correct tackling technique. In 2012, new Pop Warner rules mandated that no more than one-third of practice time could be spent in live contact and outlawed head-on tackling drills in which players start out more than 3 yards apart, to limit the velocity of hits. Many youth football programs have also upgraded helmets, though medical professionals express doubt that pricier equipment really reduces concussion risk.
    Should you let your child play football? - Magazine - The Boston Globe

    The harm that could be rendered from repeated blows to the head in football was not common knowledge in the 80s.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I consider the act itself to be a psychological attack upon my child, just as the government indoctrination center saying it not only has the right, but the duty to teach my 10 year old how to put a condom on a banana!!!
    What?

    It's called premature sexualization - it is inappropriate and psychologicall damaging to children. Kids should not be subjected to such things
    All public displys of affection?

    - and if you feel differently fine, go ahead and screw your kid up all you want, but you have no right to expose my child to what I would consider to be your perversion.
    my perversion? huh? Actually you can control that....don't watch.

    Just as I would have no right to proselytize your child with religion.
    Well let me point out the difference. 1. two people in an emotional moment show emotion while the media watches. Their actions are passive. 2. Proselytizing to my child would be an active attack on who he is.
    Now are you saying that prayers before NASCAR races should be banned too because some people do not pray to JEsus?


    The fact that most Amerikans no longer have an understanding of what is appropriate or inappropriate is a clear indicator of where we are headed as a society
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    What exactly was inappropriate here?


    It is, in fact, a slippery slope; and from the standpoint of the radical left, it has to do with breaking down the family - as Marx and other leftists have written that it is essential to destroy the family, lest it be in competition with the state.
    How does this break down the family?

    Broken families, dysfunctional families, tend to produce dysfunctional adults, which leads to a dysfunctional society in which the major player in everyone life must eventually become the government.
    Seriously that is quite a slope.... So your view is that two people kissing on TV leads to fascism?


    It's not that complicated, and it is rooted in logic from the standpoint of the radical left - destroy the family, and grow the all-powerful state to take its place.
    Your vision of the future is remarkably complicated. And illogical.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Thus, the 7th round. I'm not saying he necessarily deserved to go higher. I'm saying that a guy who was co-DPOY in the SEC probably deserves a late round flyer.
    Quite frankly I don't even think he warranted a 7th round pick. I can see signing him as an undrafted rookie to see if he can hold up through camp, but his combine results were so atrocious that I doubt he will even survive the first cut.
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    freedom of oppression you guys are great.
    Are you saying that gays have not been oppressed?

    if he doesn't make the team i figure it will have little to do with him being gay and him just not having the skills to play the position up to expectations.
    I think it will have nothing to do with him being gay. That is sort of my point.


    has nothing to do with what i said but ol well.
    then explain


    the only people making a big deal about it is people like you. To everyone else he is a mid-level 7th rounder no that big of a deal.
    actually the fact that the camera was at his house, that it lead many news programs and everyone from Rush to John Oliver commented on it...........I think I am not the only one.


    because it isn't that big of a deal. being gay doesn't give you some special brand that you get a cookie or anything or make you special above someone else.
    more so all the media attention he is getting for going in the 7th round.
    see you make my point....good boy.




    seeing how ratings decline after the first night they would tend to disagree with you. i am sure there are some really dedicated fans that watch after the 2 maybe 3 round but after that viewership really drops off.
    Just because fewer people are watching doesn't mean that there aren't people who aren't interested in it. You see hardcore football fans pay attention.

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