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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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    No, he was the first white player to exalt God after scoring, proclaim his virginity, do mission work in the off season. He made no bones about his Christianity and was proud of the person he felt it made him.
    No he wasn't. Kurt Warner regularly talked about his faith and made no bones about it. I don't think he proclaimed his virginity since he was married, but he wasn't shy about his faith, and he was proud of the person it made him.

    Kurt Warner was also a better player than Tebow ever was. Tebow had the opportunity to play in the Arena league this year (Gene Simmons wanted him on the LA Kiss). If Tebow was anything like Warner, he'd be playing somewhere - Arena Football, CFL...and he'd have faith that his abilities would shine through and that he'd get another shot. Doug Flutie is another example, and probably closer to Tebow than Warner - looked great in college but was never really deemed to pan out in the NFL. He went to Canada, succeeded and got another shot in the NFL.


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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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    No he wasn't. Kurt Warner regularly talked about his faith and made no bones about it. I don't think he proclaimed his virginity since he was married, but he wasn't shy about his faith, and he was proud of the person it made him.

    Kurt Warner was also a better player than Tebow ever was. Tebow had the opportunity to play in the Arena league this year (Gene Simmons wanted him on the LA Kiss). If Tebow was anything like Warner, he'd be playing somewhere - Arena Football, CFL...and he'd have faith that his abilities would shine through and that he'd get another shot. Doug Flutie is another example, and probably closer to Tebow than Warner - looked great in college but was never really deemed to pan out in the NFL. He went to Canada, succeeded and got another shot in the NFL.
    But Warner had the whole back story. Grocery bagger to Super Bowl Champ. Tebow don't want to go to Arena or CFL, and I agree that is a mistake.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    There are plenty of players who prayed on the field and thanked God long before Mr. Tebow planted the little swimmers into Mrs. Tebow.

    Steve Largent and Jim Zorn were famous for just that. And there were plenty long before them too.
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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But Warner had the whole back story. Grocery bagger to Super Bowl Champ. Tebow don't want to go to Arena or CFL, and I agree that is a mistake.
    Why is it a mistake? I think it's a bigger mistake for him to wait for that NFL contract to materialize rather than going and proving they were wrong. Tebow had opportunities in New York and New England, but couldn't manage to make either work. I don't know why, but you'd think that he'd have gotten a chance to replace Sanchez, and should have been a shoo-in to backup Tom Brady.


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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

    I know nothing about his football abilities. He won awards in college but pro scouts have said he's not very athletic and his performance at the combine was mediocre. He said he wanted to be known as a football player, not a gay football player. Having said that, he probably could have done without kissing his boyfriend on national TV. I'll be surprised if he makes the final roster. I won't be surprised if he becomes a distraction for the team. Seventh rounders are generally training camp fodder.
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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

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    So, you want to make standards for the NFL harder than for any other profession, and using standards (academic achievement) that have little to nothing to do with success in the profession. Why not require engineers to run a sub 5 40, or at least be able to do 100 pushups?
    If JFK was still around, he would concur with you that all engineers be able to do 100 push ups and probably to be able to hike 50 miles with in 24 hours.

    Every thing has to be compared to something. When it comes to the NFL, "Sports Illustrate" compares all NFL teams to the last super team of the NFL. That was the Green Bay Packers under Vince Lombardi. You will never see a super team again in the NFL. The NFL has been so dumbed down since the 1970's.

    Before 1970 just about every NFL player would have been a sucess in the private sector even if they didn't play in the NFL. They all actually had real college degrees in engineering, science, etc. Most of the NFL players back then didn't make big bucks like they do today, playing with the NFL was about the sport. And after their careers went into the private sector and were pretty successful.

    ( I can remember back during the 1970's at a bar and grill on Aviation Blvd. down the street from North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft, Hughes, Aerospace, TRW, etc. and more than a few dozen of the former NFL players of the 60's and 50's who used their college degrees to work at these places as engineers, pencil pushers, etc. after playing with the NFL. These former NFL players were smart.)

    Today those NFL players who didn't hire a financial consultant to invest all of the money they made playing football don't do to well after their NFL careers, just a step from living under a overpass. You have some pretty dull Christmas lights on the NFL Christmas tree today.

    Today less than half of todays NFL players would have ever made it into the NFL forty five years ago.

    There was a time when those who didn't meet the NFL standards found themselves playing in the AFL. Then one day some beard scratching types decided that wasn't right, it's discrimination. The AFL players should be able to play in the NFL. So they merged the AFL with the NFL and you will never see a super team again.

    The NFL today is no longer about football. it's about money. It's a big entertainment business.

    If you have the time and know what a book is, read some of the biographies of Vince Lombardi.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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    Yes, they should ban disownment of children for being gay. They should criminalize gay jokes altogether. They should pass a law that says it is illegal to consider being gay odd in any way. In fact, it should be required that half of all children be gay so it's fair.

    What is it you want?

    Being gay isn't normal. It's not illegal, but it's just odd. Always will be. With 7 billion people in the world, you get some mutated genes here and there. No biggie.

    Look-at-me drama. That's what 95 percent of this is about.
    Since we're all entitled to our opinions, it's mine that you're taking that position out of ignorance, not because you've got a number of gay friends or family and know this from the evidence of their lives.

    It's certainly better for gays than 20 years, or even 5 years ago, but that doesn't reduce their current issues to mere drama - except 5% of the time....

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    If JFK was still around, he would concur with you that all engineers be able to do 100 push ups and probably to be able to hike 50 miles with in 24 hours.
    Really, JFK proposed that licensing requirements for certain professionals include physical fitness benchmarks, and those who failed to meet them were disqualified from working in that industry? Got a cite for that?

    Every thing has to be compared to something. When it comes to the NFL, "Sports Illustrate" compares all NFL teams to the last super team of the NFL. That was the Green Bay Packers under Vince Lombardi. You will never see a super team again in the NFL. The NFL has been so dumbed down since the 1970's.

    Before 1970 just about every NFL player would have been a sucess in the private sector even if they didn't play in the NFL. They all actually had real college degrees in engineering, science, etc. Most of the NFL players back then didn't make big bucks like they do today, playing with the NFL was about the sport. And after their careers went into the private sector and were pretty successful.

    ( I can remember back during the 1970's at a bar and grill on Aviation Blvd. down the street from North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft, Hughes, Aerospace, TRW, etc. and more than a few dozen of the former NFL players of the 60's and 50's who used their college degrees to work at these places as engineers, pencil pushers, etc. after playing with the NFL. These former NFL players were smart.)

    Today those NFL players who didn't hire a financial consultant to invest all of the money they made playing football don't do to well after their NFL careers, just a step from living under a overpass. You have some pretty dull Christmas lights on the NFL Christmas tree today.

    Today less than half of todays NFL players would have ever made it into the NFL forty five years ago.

    There was a time when those who didn't meet the NFL standards found themselves playing in the AFL. Then one day some beard scratching types decided that wasn't right, it's discrimination. The AFL players should be able to play in the NFL. So they merged the AFL with the NFL and you will never see a super team again.

    The NFL today is no longer about football. it's about money. It's a big entertainment business.

    If you have the time and know what a book is, read some of the biographies of Vince Lombardi.
    I'm sorry but you're just romanticizing the past. One of my family's great friends was a football player from that era. By his own account, he was a street thug who was only alive because he was able to get out of the environment where he lived and play college, then pro, football. A series of concussions derailed him, but this guy was a polish street thug and was welcomed in both college and pro football.

    Besides, it's interesting that your timeline is more or less the timeline of NFL integration. I'm not sure if that's coincidence or not. But it's definitely true that probably more than half of current players wouldn't have been ALLOWED on the golden era teams of the NFL (not AFC) because most NFL teams didn't draft any blacks.

    At any rate, the kind of standards you're suggesting are hilarious. There is no real reason any FOOTBALL player should have a degree of any kind - they're paid to....play football.

    And, sure, it's entertainment - same now as it was in your golden era. Professional football was and has always been about 'money.' I'm not aware of any team owners from any era running a charity to promote the sport of 'football' to America.

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    Re: http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-michael-sam-nfl-draft-20140511-s

    Can't wait for one of his teammates to hesitate taking a shower with this guy, then watch the left go apesh!t and call the guy a homophobe and run him out of the league. fun times we live in.

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    Re: Rams select Michael Sam, NFL's first openly gay player [W:282]

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    I can live with that.
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