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FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

People are contractually obligated to pay back their student loans. They signed the promissory note. Not the same situation as Bundy; in fact, it's not even in the same ballpark.

No, it is the exact same ball park. When Bundy places his property (cattle) on public pasturage, he is contractually obligated to pay for that pasturage. In fact, he cant place his cattle there legally with out first entering into a contract.

Unlike the Occupiers, Bundy's form theft allows him to occupy the pasturage with out paying for it. Meanwhile, the poor lerftist Occupiers are at a disadvantage because they generally cant get accepted into a University with out having the tuition up front.

Wait a minute, what if the Occupiers pull a "Bundy"- Occupy the classrooms of a public university, threaten violence if they are ordered to leave, and then consume that recesource with out paying for it.... .?
 
No, it is the exact same ball park. When Bundy places his property (cattle) on public pasturage, he is contractually obligated to pay for that pasturage. In fact, he cant place his cattle there legally with out first entering into a contract.

Unlike the Occupiers, Bundy's form theft allows him to occupy the pasturage with out paying for it. Meanwhile, the poor lerftist Occupiers are at a disadvantage because they generally cant get accepted into a University with out having the tuition up front.

Wait a minute, what if the Occupiers pull a "Bundy"- Occupy the classrooms of a public university, threaten violence if they are ordered to leave, and then consume that recesource with out paying for it.... .?

What contract did Bundy sign?

If this is your argument, why stop at student loans? Why not make the argument that none of us should have to pay our mortgages back because Bundy grazes his cattle on govermment land?
 
People are contractually obligated to pay back their student loans. They signed the promissory note. Not the same situation as Bundy; in fact, it's not even in the same ballpark.

He did contract to pay his grazing fees.

He's like all of the freeloaders in the country, from the welfare queens to the corporate takers of bailouts. He's really no different from a renter who won't pay rent and is fighting eviction.
 
He did contract to pay his grazing fees.

He's like all of the freeloaders in the country, from the welfare queens to the corporate takers of bailouts. He's really no different from a renter who won't pay rent and is fighting eviction.



Well, if they have an enforcable contract that he signed agreeing to pay them $x per year, then they should go after him as any lender would. I was addressing the notion that the student loan holders should be off the hook because nobody has done anything to Bundy. As I said, I don't really care one way or another about him.
 
What contract did Bundy sign?

If this is your argument, why stop at student loans? Why not make the argument that none of us should have to pay our mortgages back because Bundy grazes his cattle on govermment land?

A contract does not have to be written down and signed. Learn about the law before posting about the law.
 
Well, if they have an enforcable contract that he signed agreeing to pay them $x per year, then they should go after him as any lender would. I was addressing the notion that the student loan holders should be off the hook because nobody has done anything to Bundy. As I said, I don't really care one way or another about him.

There is a contract, just as any user of public lands has a contract. Yes, they should go after him. The student loan holders also have contracts, and shouldn't be off the hook. No, if the government doesn't hold Bundy to a contract, then that doesn't mean that they can't hole the student loan holders to theirs. Contracts don't work that way, so you have a good point.
 
What contract did Bundy sign?
The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.

Can I enter classrooms at the University of Texas at Arlington to study for a degree. Then refuse to leave, and also refuse to pay tuition because I never signed a "contract"?
Contracts don't work that way, so you have a good point.

Or, better yet, can I just start to commercially harvest lumber from the Sam Houston National forest and refuse to pay the assosciated user fees for those recesources. After all, I never signed a "contract"- right?
 
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The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.

Can I enter classrooms at the University of Texas at Arlington to study for a degree. Then refuse to leave, and also refuse to pay tuition because I never signed a "contract"?

You can go to UT if you want, and then refuse to leave and not pay your tuition. If you say "I'm here because of Clive Bundy", let me know how it works out.

If you're asking why nobody has done anything about Bundy, you're asking the wrong person. Ask your congressional rep. I'm not with the government.
 
You can go to UT if you want, and then refuse to leave and not pay your tuition. If you say "I'm here because of Clive Bundy", let me know how it works out.
I imagine I would be laughed at- then arrested.

I would also bet that thousands of enraged right wingers would assume that I was a leftist freeloader, and would call for my head. Of course, right wing free loaders are an entirely different matter...
 
There is a contract, just as any user of public lands has a contract. Yes, they should go after him. The student loan holders also have contracts, and shouldn't be off the hook. No, if the government doesn't hold Bundy to a contract, then that doesn't mean that they can't hole the student loan holders to theirs. Contracts don't work that way, so you have a good point.

Well damn, i may start supporting bundy then, I hate my student loan payments :(
 
I imagine I would be laughed at- then arrested.

I would also bet that thousands of enraged right wingers would assume that I was a leftist freeloader, and would call for my head. Of course, right wing free loaders are an entirely different matter...

I don't know of many right wingers who think we should en masse decline paying back our contractual debts.
 
The fact that he did not sign a contract does not mean he is not stealing. At the end of the day, Bundy is taking something that does not belong to him.

Can I enter classrooms at the University of Texas at Arlington to study for a degree. Then refuse to leave, and also refuse to pay tuition because I never signed a "contract"?

I don't know how it works at UT-Arlington, but at other institutions, attendance is checked at least for the first few weeks, and if a student isn't on the roster, he/she can't remain in class. If the student refused to leave, the campus cops would haul him off. And students are dropped for non-payment.
 
I don't know of many right wingers who think we should en masse decline paying back our contractual debts.

I am beginning to suspect that many rigth wingers are in favor of free loading- so long as the free loaders are right wing.

For example:

- Leftist occupiers who dont want to repay their contractual debts (tuition).... . Bad, very bad.

-Right wing occupiers who refuse to sign a contract, then go on to sieze public recesources (pasturage).... . Good guys- so long as they are right wingers.

As a side note, the Mexicans have been dealing with hundreds of thousands of leftist "Bundys" at the University of Mexico City for generations. Its been occupied by professional students who refuse to sign tuition contracts, then go on to sieze the recesources anyways.

If one either tries to force them to sign a contract, or tries evicts them, they threaten violence. There have been riots, and some of the leftists have access to weapons. Oh yeah, the Mexican leftist Bundys also have the tacit support of marxist politicians who egg them on. Left wing or right wing, "Bundys" tend to bankrupt nations.
 
I am beginning to suspect that many rigth wingers are in favor of free loading- so long as the free loaders are right wing.

For example:

- Leftist occupiers who dont want to repay their contractual debts (tuition).... . Bad, very bad.

-Right wing occupiers who refuse to sign a contract, then go on to sieze public recesources (pasturage).... . Good guys- so long as they use right wing talking points.

As a side note, the Mexicans have been dealing with hundreds of thousands of leftist "Bundys" at the University of Mexico City. Its been occupied for generations by professional students who refuse to sign tuition contracts, then go on to sieze the recesources anyways.

If one either tries to force them to sign a contract, or evicts them, they threaten violence. There have been riots, and some of the leftists have access to weapons. Oh yeah, the Mexican leftist Bundys also have the tacit support of marxist politicians who egg them on. Left wing or right wing, "Bundys" tend to bankrupt nations.

I think you're more interested in Bundy than I am.
 
I don't know how it works at UT-Arlington, but at other institutions, attendance is checked at least for the first few weeks, and if a student isn't on the roster, he/she can't remain in class. If the student refused to leave, the campus cops would haul him off. And students are dropped for non-payment.
Yes, that is how it needs to work. If people started going "Bundy" (refuse to sign a contract, and then sieze the receources), the system would collapse.
I think you're more interested in Bundy than I am.
I am not interested in his as an individual. I am very interested in him as a concept. We just cant afford to have alot of Bundys refusing to sign contracts for public recesources and then siezing them.

As I mentioned earlier, the Mexicans now have about a hundred thousand Bundy student in Mexico City:
-wont sign a contract for use of the public recesources
-sieze the recesource anyways
-Threaten violence if told "no".
-get encouraged by some politicians (in this case, leftists ones).
 
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So, here it comes....Round 2.

And in true authoritarian style, a full propaganda effort will accompany the suppression of any possible uprising to ensure that the sheep soaking up the reports will know who "the bad guy" is supposed to be....

Remember Orwell.....​OBEY!

.... Do you have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you?
 
I am not interested in his as an individual. I am very interested in him as a concept. We just cant afford to have alot of Bundys refusing to sign contracts for public recesources and then siezing them.

As I mentioned earlier, the Mexicans now have about a hundred thousand Bundy student in Mexico City:
-wont sign a contract for use of the public recesources
-sieze the recesource anyways
-Threaten violence if told "no".
-get encouraged by some politicians (in this case, leftists ones).

I'd be more interested in the Bundy concept if I thought it was widescale, causing some major issues for our country, and was going to lead to something that will negatively impact me.

Mexican stories are cool, but they're also irrelevant. The US government needs to address Bundy or not address him. The issue is overdiscussed.
 
I'd be more interested in the Bundy concept if I thought it was widescale, causing some major issues for our country, and was going to lead to something that will negatively impact me.

Mexican stories are cool, but they're also irrelevant. The US government needs to address Bundy or not address him. The issue is overdiscussed.

I agree, you have some good points about the small scale of Bundy, and his probably over discussed as he is small scale. The Mexican stories are not completely irrelevent. They are based on a very valid concept- one cannot afford too many left wing or right wing Bundys.
 
No clue what this means, or where you got that from my posts.
Where you care if people repay their school loans but don't care if someone doesn't pay to use federal resources to make a moving.
 
Where you care if people repay their school loans but don't care if someone doesn't pay to use federal resources to make a moving.

Repaying your student loans is fulfilling a contractual obligation. It has nothing to do with pulling your weight.

"Make a moving...?"

By the way, I also don't lose sleep when people camp in the White Mountains of NH and don't slip the fee for their campsite in the box when they pull in, and it probably happens all the time. Maybe you have more time on your hands than I do to worry about things like this.
 
Repaying your student loans is fulfilling a contractual obligation. It has nothing to do with pulling your weight.

"Make a moving...?"

By the way, I also don't lose sleep when people camp in the White Mountains of NH and don't slip the fee for their campsite in the box when they pull in, and it probably happens all the time. Maybe you have more time on your hands than I do to worry about things like this.

I think its unfortunate that armed citizens showed up to support Bundy, who likely is in the wrong, such actions would have far better served justice had folks showed up with such support in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
 
I think its unfortunate that armed citizens showed up to support Bundy, who likely is in the wrong, such actions would have far better served justice had folks showed up with such support in Waco and Ruby Ridge.

For some people, any port in a storm will do.
 
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