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FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

Damn law enforcement actually investigating potential criminal activity...

The people they should be investigating are Harry Reid and the rest of the Nevada political mafia for their blatant corruption. I mean, honestly now, look at how this is playing out. Why did they suddenly have some court cases pushing this idea of seizing the cattle towards the end of 2013? How come the move to take armed action against Bundy began in March? Do they really care about these fines and unpaid fees so much that they are actually going to expend more resources trying to remedy the situation? Look at the parties involved and that tells you all you need to know. It is not about Bundy paying his due or abiding by the rules. The other people in his county who did that found themselves unable to make ends meet and clocked out. He needs to be driven out of the area so that Reid and his various pals in the Nevada corporo-political machine can take more land and make some more damn money on the taxpayer's dime. That is why Reid's former adviser sent in the armed thugs. In the old days of the Wild West, Reid's corporate backers would at least have the decency to send in actual hired thugs so no one was under any delusions regarding what it was about rather than having them masquerade as federal law enforcement to conceal their purpose.
 
In fact they did. It was called the Civil War.




We're talking about a different set of people and a different war now-The U.S. Civil War was fought to correct some of the mistakes made by those who fought the Revolutionary War.

There are a few people in the USA who are still fighting and re-fighting the Civil War in their minds, but the results will not change anytime soon.
 
Does slavery still exist? Do women have equal rights?




There is still slavery on this planet, and-no, women don't have equal rights.

We're getting closer, but we're not there, yet.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
The people they should be investigating are Harry Reid and the rest of the Nevada political mafia for their blatant corruption. I mean, honestly now, look at how this is playing out. Why did they suddenly have some court cases pushing this idea of seizing the cattle towards the end of 2013? How come the move to take armed action against Bundy began in March? Do they really care about these fines and unpaid fees so much that they are actually going to expend more resources trying to remedy the situation? Look at the parties involved and that tells you all you need to know. It is not about Bundy paying his due or abiding by the rules. The other people in his county who did that found themselves unable to make ends meet and clocked out. He needs to be driven out of the area so that Reid and his various pals in the Nevada corporo-political machine can take more land and make some more damn money on the taxpayer's dime. That is why Reid's former adviser sent in the armed thugs. In the old days of the Wild West, Reid's corporate backers would at least have the decency to send in actual hired thugs so no one was under any delusions regarding what it was about rather than having them masquerade as federal law enforcement to conceal their purpose.

Yeah man, it is a conspiracy, man.
 
Yeah man, it is a conspiracy, man.

Calling it a conspiracy would make it seem like some dirty little secret. None of this is being done covertly. That the BLM is run by one of Reid's former advisers, whose main claim to fame was pushing exploitation of federal land by renewable energy companies, is public record. Reid's shady federal land dealings with his corporate backers in Nevada are another matter of public record. His ties to the people building solar farms nearby (First Solar) are also public record. That building said solar farms requires increased conservation on land Bundy is using and thus the removal of Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. That Reid's former adviser came into his new position as head of the agency and immediately began the push to remove Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. All I am doing is saying that none of that is a mere coincidence and you would have to be pretty naive to suggest otherwise. It is just garden-variety corruption in action and exactly what one should expect from our leading politicians.
 
Calling it a conspiracy would make it seem like some dirty little secret. None of this is being done covertly. That the BLM is run by one of Reid's former advisers, whose main claim to fame was pushing exploitation of federal land by renewable energy companies, is public record. Reid's shady federal land dealings with his corporate backers in Nevada are another matter of public record. His ties to the people building solar farms nearby (First Solar) are also public record. That building said solar farms requires increased conservation on land Bundy is using and thus the removal of Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. That Reid's former adviser came into his new position as head of the agency and immediately began the push to remove Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. All I am doing is saying that none of that is a mere coincidence and you would have to be pretty naive to suggest otherwise. It is just garden-variety corruption in action and exactly what one should expect from our leading politicians.

No really, it is one big conspiricy man. The government, iot is trying to steal land from a guy man. It is a big scam...

Oh **** that, this **** has been disproven some time ago. Did Sen. Harry Reid drive the standoff at the Bundy ranch for personal gain? | PunditFact
 
Is it even possible for the citizens to bully the government?

Sure is. We're looking at it here. You have people inventing a call to arms for a non-existent right and fighting anyone who tells them otherwise.
 
But what you're not getting is WHY we spend more than anyone else. Yes, teacher pay is the largest single cost...but we've got a host of expenses in our schools that most other countries don't. For instance, buses. Yes, other nations have buses...but how many of them actually spend for big honking buses for the entirety of their rural areas? A lot of other nations use much smaller and more fuel-efficient oversized vans.

Another big expense is special ed. I've had medically-fragile Foster children in my home for nearly 15 years...and every public school in America (but not the private schools) is required to be able to transport, teach, and care for those special-needs children. Sometimes - as was the case for my kids - the school had to pay for a nurse just for my child for several years. Now the school's "only" paying for just a caregiver for him at school, as long as there's a nurse handy for emergencies like the short seizure he had today.

Another big expense is the cafeteria. Yes, a lot of other nations have cafeterias in their schools...but not all of them. Some nations require kids to bring lunches.

One of the biggest expenses is our school sports - NO other nation has to spend anything like what we do on sports, because just about every high school has both a football stadium (and football equipment and weight room) and a basketball court, and sometimes even a baseball stadium, too. These cost a LOT of money. What do other nations have? Sometimes basketball...but usually only soccer, if that...and even if they do have a soccer field, they don't have to spend anywhere near what we do on football equipment.

And let's not forget the newest big expense that our 2A-loving nation has in our schools that other nations largely don't worry about at all - armed security, sometimes even with metal detectors. We pay for that, too.

In other words, it's a big mistake to think that it's because of our teacher salaries that we're spending so much on education. We pay our teachers above the average, but our teachers get nowhere near the top pay (Luxembourg, $72K for first-year teachers (ours is $53K). It's all the other crap we're paying for that's making our education budgets so huge.

The Libbos wanted bussing. You got it. Don't complain about it.
 
There is still slavery on this planet, and-no, women don't have equal rights.

We're getting closer, but we're not there, yet.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll

Obviously, I was talking about The United States.
 
Charged they should be, those non-chivalric bastards who are so below that of man that they must hide behind and ENDANGER their opposite gender (not that women are weak, but men are generally stronger, well, GENERALLY stronger... Maybe not here... in this case...).

Pray to something that these fools don't aim at the FBI again, let alone shoot, because in that case they all may as well be erased from this Earth so as to cleanse it of some of its trash.

What are FBI agents doing there when it is all abut not paying for grazing rights? Does the FBI now get involved in all tax situations? This is government overkill, perhaps literally.
 
No really, it is one big conspiricy man. The government, iot is trying to steal land from a guy man. It is a big scam...

Oh **** that, this **** has been disproven some time ago. Did Sen. Harry Reid drive the standoff at the Bundy ranch for personal gain? | PunditFact

What was disproven is the scare-mongering about the great yellow menace playing some role in the controversy. Actual evidence points to the Gold Butte needing to have increased protection because First Solar is gonna be building some more solar farms nearby. In order to build those solar farms while still "protecting" the desert tortoise requires them to carry out "mitigation strategies", which sometimes involves a little tortoise trail of tears as they are relocated from the land being developed by big business to other plots of land, at great loss of little tortoise life, so they can be "protected" there instead. Bundy, stupid independent-minded prole he be, happens to be using the land of the future enhanced tortoise reservation to preserve his livelihood. There are actually public papers stating his "trespass cattle" seriously complicate the "mitigation strategy" connected with one of those solar farms. Natch, that **** has to stop in order for them to maintain the whole "protecting the desert tortoise" boondoggle that allows them to drive away independent ranchers in favor of big business projects. As I said, not a conspiracy, it's just good business.

It really is not about him alone, he just happens to be the only one who did not bow to their decrees and was thus able to stay around. The fact that the same year of the first major court injunction against Bundy neatly coincided with Reid pushing for increased access to federal land for corporate exploitation is another one of them convenient coincidences. Do you really think American politics is so clean that the better explanation for all these incredible coincidences is that it is mere happenstance and they are really just trying to enforce the law for the greater good? Why now? Why did they wait five years after he stopped paying to push the first major court case? Why wait another 15 before threatening direct law enforcement action? Why did it only start happening in earnest in March of this year? Too much of the stuff hinting at corrupt bargains and ulterior motives lines up too well with the timeline for it to make sense that this was about anything more than brushing aside one last impediment to corporate exploitation of federal lands by Reid's major donors.
 
The Libbos wanted bussing. You got it. Don't complain about it.

Ohhhh the ol busing argument. Little Johnny didnt want to go to school with a black child.
 
If you believe that Bundy should have paid his fines and are opposed to the current situation (to be fair, i am also opposed to the current situation), what alternative do you suggest, given that Bundy has made his choice?

Certainly not armed confrontations. Freeze his bank accounts. Garnish his assets. Lean his property. But, put the guns down.
 
Certainly not armed confrontations. Freeze his bank accounts. Garnish his assets. Lean his property. But, put the guns down.

I would agree with a lot of that. The BLM miscalculated.
 
I didn't know making people pay fees for usage was bullying. May as well start shoving guns in the faces of DMV employees.

You have it backwards. It's more like the DMV showing up at your house in SWAT gear when you failed to renew your tags. You probably think that is appropriate too.
 
But, we have pictures of them doing it.

And, yes, I read the damned article, drop it. You aren't winning points by making that assumption.

You have one guy, that may or may not be pointing his weapon at a specific target...hard to say. He may just be posing for the press. Who knows? Maybe some liberal puke photographer asked him to pose like that.
 
He was aimed right at the feds. Sorry your bias blinded you.

Get better heroes.

We've been through this repeatedly and I'm not going to waste my time educating you again.

You show me where the federal agent is suspended on the other side of the barrier in this picture. Let's see another angle.

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What are FBI agents doing there when it is all abut not paying for grazing rights? Does the FBI now get involved in all tax situations? This is government overkill, perhaps literally.

They don't get involved in all tax situations, but they do get involved in tax situations when a platoon of rednecks try aiming lethal weaponry at them :)
 
As for this whole thing I find it funny a bunch of rednecks think they can somehow defeat the entire U.S.... We can all pray for them maybe? Ya know, one mistake and they can all be wiped out in a heartbeat.
 
But it's fine for federal agents to bring rifles to threaten you with violence even when you have not acted as a danger to the public in any way? Seems to be a bit of a double standard there, sport.

But people on your side of the fence believe that if a stranger refused to leave your property, you have the right to shoot them. Hell, even some gun nuts believe simply trespassing on someone elses property gives them the right to shoot them.

But if you are trespassing on government property, the government (elected by citizens) do not have the right to protect government owned (taxpayer owned) property.
 
Do you support having women in the military serving on the front lines ?

No, I don't. I think women in combat is one of the worst ideas to have come from the PC women can do anything men can do idea.

Now, unarmed women on the front lines to serve as targets is a wonderful idea.

If you're Taliban, that is.
 
Wow you need to do some homework. The info is out there if you'd choose to read it and understand it. Nothing I said was wrong. Janet Reno is an idiot yet, but had nothing to do with Ruby Ridge it was a small group of thug agents within the BATF (NOT FBI) that entrapped Weaver. Weavers young son and friend were investigating a dogs intrigue with an agent when the first shots were fired after the agent idiotically shot the dog Weavers boy fired on the agent (a single shot) and the agents killed him in defense. Weavers wife and infant child were later killed by another idiot sniper who was prosecuted but not convicted. Yes I know Weaver won his case against the government, and that's what happens when people error and should happen, but ultimately its about a persons error not a governments war on gun owners, Weaver or anyone else.


Wrong... That's not what happened with Ruby Ridge.

The entire incident started with Randy Weaver being entrapped for allegedly selling a shotgun. Then for some unknown reason a gang of FBI agents acting like some sort of military unit invaded his property and Weavers son grabbed a gun and started shooting at the invaders, which cost the kid his life, and before the incident was over Weaver lost his son, wife and a friend in the incident.

Then the FBI trying to justify their actions tried to portray Weaver as a member of the KKK which didn't work out for the FBI because everyone called bull****.

As far as I'm concerned Janet Reno belongs in prison....

Lets also not forget Waco either - the FBI only smashed buildings in their compound with tanks and lit the place on fire murdering people.

The FBI had no business whatsoever being involved in either incident - and the only reason why they were was because they wanted to flex their muscles against families and individuals who want nothing to do with their authoritarian government.

BTW, Randy Weaver sued the government and won...
 
But people on your side of the fence believe that if a stranger refused to leave your property, you have the right to shoot them. Hell, even some gun nuts believe simply trespassing on someone elses property gives them the right to shoot them.

But if you are trespassing on government property, the government (elected by citizens) do not have the right to protect government owned (taxpayer owned) property.

Should we prohibit hiking in our national forests?

I don't have a problem with grazing fees. Hell, I LIKE the idea of leasing government land for private use. However, if the government is going to charge those fees then they need to allow reasonable use. In this case they kept whittling away at what the ranchers could use and so restricted the land use that dozens of ranches had to shut down. What Bundy was protesting was an administrative decision to put him out of business in favor of a species of tortoise which had been living just fine with cattle for a hundred years.
 
Should we prohibit hiking in our national forests?

I don't have a problem with grazing fees. Hell, I LIKE the idea of leasing government land for private use. However, if the government is going to charge those fees then they need to allow reasonable use. In this case they kept whittling away at what the ranchers could use and so restricted the land use that dozens of ranches had to shut down. What Bundy was protesting was an administrative decision to put him out of business in favor of a species of tortoise which had been living just fine with cattle for a hundred years.

Put him out of business?? No, he has plenty of land to graze on. What he is protesting is the use of free land for his own personal gain.
 
We've been through this repeatedly and I'm not going to waste my time educating you again.

You show me where the federal agent is suspended on the other side of the barrier in this picture. Let's see another angle.

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He is aiming his gun at feds in that picture. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

If I'm on ignore, why do you keep responding? :lamo
 
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