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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    All true. Wish that would have ruled the day in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
    True, I think the fed learned some hard lessons from those. They probably don't wish to repeat because of the lives lost and public outrage over them.

    Another thing I don't understand is why these militia people dragged their women and children into the squabble.

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Like much of anything else, a lease or rental people pay fees on, you either pay and stay, if you don't, you won't. It's basically simple for people who haven't figured that out. I mean, if you have electric and gas service to a home or apartment, you pay for that service, if one doesn't then they're cut off.
    Objectively, it is a very simple concept to figure out. But when you add subjective politics, it gets very "complex". In short, subjective politics transforms Bundy from the armed freeloader into the the sexy rancher fighting against the government. Ironically, that same crowd thinks free loading occupiers cant be sexy because they use left wing talking points.

    The left did the same thing with the American Indian Movement. The more AIM spouted leftist talking points, the sexier they became to liberals. The fact that AIM's victims included a Native American woman, killed largely because she would not submit to AIM's male leadership and a black activist executed largely because he was black and was perceived to be "annoying" did not matter.

    The AIMERS and Bundy's armed followers also have alot in common. Sure, the AIMERS were leftists and Bundy's followers are right wingers, but they both are big fans of armed anarchy and self exemption from obligations.
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry!! Prior.
    I figured that's what you meant.

    Let's see if the government shuts this issue up and goes after Bundy now. I can't imagine what they're dragging their feet about.

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Please consider the following "logic":

    -The career welfare fraudster does not cost me any money personally.
    - Had she been kicked off of welfare, would my taxes have been reduced a great deal?

    - Ergo, society should tolerate her theft of public recesources- right?

    The only difference between Bundy and the welfare fraudsters is that Bundy is right wing (most welfare fraudsters drift left) and that Budy has managed to summon some armed, but blind ideaological followers. The welfare fraudsters have not been able to do that since the Black Panthers collapsed.

    Please.... dont become one of Bundy's blind followers:

    Dear Bundy Followers,

    I choose to use public recesources by taking out some student loans. Now, I am butt hurt by the fact that I must pay for those recesources. In fact, I have some kind of ancestoral right to a tax payer funded education. I have exempted myelf from those unfair loans. Who wants to protect me from the uhmmm..... "government oppressors" who want to "steal" my property... .
    It's more complicated than that, but yeah give that a go, and let me know how that works out k?

    I don't necessarily agree with how Bundy went about it, but from the IRS to the EPA this government is out of control.

    You want to live in a quasi totalitarian socialist state? Go to Venezuela.
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's more complicated than that, but yeah give that a go, and let me know how that works out k?

    I don't necessarily agree with how Bundy went about it, but from the IRS to the EPA this government is out of control.

    You want to live in a quasi totalitarian socialist state? Go to Venezuela.
    Charging fees for the use of public land makes the US a totalitarian socialist state?

    What would allowing anyone to log, graze, or mine without restrictions or payments make it?
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You want to live in a quasi totalitarian socialist state? Go to Venezuela.
    Nope, I want to live in a state where neither right wing nor left wing militias get to sieze public recesources for the benefit of their followers.

    If you want to live in a state where militias (ethnic, political, religous, social) frequently sieze a dazzling variety of public recesources using a dazzling variety of "justifications" to enrich themselves as individuals, I would recommend that you move to say, Somalia, many parts of Africa, or eastern Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't necessarily agree with how Bundy went about it, but from the IRS to the EPA this government is out of control.
    I am not an EPA fan. But.... Bundy exempted himself (no surprise) from paying (no surprise) grazing fees years before the EPA put restrictions on the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Charging fees for the use of public land makes the US a totalitarian socialist state?

    What would allowing anyone to log, graze, or mine without restrictions or payments make it?
    Somalia- if you see a public recesource that you want, form a militia, toss out a "justification", and sieze it.
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, here it comes....Round 2.

    And in true authoritarian style, a full propaganda effort will accompany the suppression of any possible uprising to ensure that the sheep soaking up the reports will know who "the bad guy" is supposed to be....

    Remember Orwell.....​OBEY!
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    For political dissidents?

    Google search for "FEMA camp in Crystal Lake Illinois:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fema...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

    none, zero, notta,

    Next please....
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's there. It's classified Super Duper Double Top Secret, and the reason you couldn't find it is because you didn't have the special decoder ring that comes in specially marked boxes of Cracker Jack. LOL.
    When Hatch, New Mexico flooded some years ago, people lost use of their homes, apartments and businesses, FEMA came in, cordoned off a very large area with chain link fence complete with barbed wire, and set up mobile trailers in Rincon, it almost, or virtually looked like a prison camp.

    4 years later, some Hatch flood victims still in FEMA trailers - El Paso Times

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Charging fees for the use of public land makes the US a totalitarian socialist state?

    What would allowing anyone to log, graze, or mine without restrictions or payments make it?
    Moochers?

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