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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Cliven owes more than $1 million in fines for using federal land. But apparently that makes him a martyr while the welfare recipient is just a lowly leech.
    So what exactly is the dollar amount used to define "leech"?

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what exactly is the dollar amount used to define "leech"?
    There is no dollar amount. Just pointing out the absurdity of defending a man who has received far more privileges at the expense of the taxpayers than the average welfare recipient.

    Btw, I believe we need to replace welfare with Thomas Paine's citizen dividend.
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    There is no dollar amount. Just pointing out the absurdity of defending a man who has received far more privileges at the expense of the taxpayers than the average welfare recipient.

    Btw, I believe we need to replace welfare with Thomas Paine's citizen dividend.
    It didn't cost me any money for Bundy to graze his cattle. If he paid the fees, how much would our taxes have been reduced by?

    ETA I'm not familiar with Citizen Dividend

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    One man. Of course, there are dozens more pictures of other men pointing guns, yes? Nobody's gotten around to posting them yet.

    Where is the federal agent on the other side of the barrier in that first picture? Suspended in air, or just really really really tall?
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    He's pointing across, and the vehicles are far far to the left. Let me guess - the end of his gun is bent.

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It didn't cost me any money for Bundy to graze his cattle. If he paid the fees, how much would our taxes have been reduced by?
    Your money goes to the maintenance and upkeep of federal lands just as it goes towards welfare checks. It is also unfair for other ranchers who pay their fees while Bundy pays nothing.

    ETA I'm not familiar with Citizen Dividend
    Every citizen would receive a payment (monthly or annually) for the revenue the government receives from leasing land/resources.
    It would dramatically cut bureaucracy and expenses.
    Citizen's dividend - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Alaska currently does this with its revenue for land it leases to oil companies. Each citizen (even the children) receives about $800 a year.
    Can a Citizens Dividend Replace Welfare
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If you are saying that you are not "the militia" under the broad interpretation that allows all people to own and bear arms ... then turn in your weapons. You have no 2nd amendment rights under the constitution.
    I hold rank in our military, so no need to turn in anything.

    The Supreme court has already ruled that it applies to individuals as well as militias. That was interesting point though.

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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am referring to a quote that is often repeated by those who support a broad interpretation of the 2nd Amendment

    Bear Arms


    And to the law
    10 U.S. Code 311 - Militia: composition and classes | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Ah, I see...Thanks for that sangha....So, just where does that leave me? Over 45y.o. and not a member of the National Guard, or Navy....?
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Another Ruby Ridge setting up.
    Not really.
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    Re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It didn't cost me any money for Bundy to graze his cattle. If he paid the fees, how much would our taxes have been reduced by?

    ETA I'm not familiar with Citizen Dividend
    Please consider the following "logic":

    -The career welfare fraudster does not cost me any money personally.
    - Had she been kicked off of welfare, would my taxes have been reduced a great deal?

    - Ergo, society should tolerate her theft of public recesources- right?

    The only difference between Bundy and the welfare fraudsters is that Bundy is right wing (most welfare fraudsters drift left) and that Budy has managed to summon some armed, but blind ideaological followers. The welfare fraudsters have not been able to do that since the Black Panthers collapsed.

    Please.... dont become one of Bundy's blind followers:

    Dear Bundy Followers,

    I choose to use public recesources by taking out some student loans. Now, I am butt hurt by the fact that I must pay for those recesources. In fact, I have some kind of ancestoral right to a tax payer funded education. I have exempted myelf from those unfair loans. Who wants to protect me from the uhmmm..... "government oppressors" who want to "steal" my property... .
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