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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Calling it a conspiracy would make it seem like some dirty little secret. None of this is being done covertly. That the BLM is run by one of Reid's former advisers, whose main claim to fame was pushing exploitation of federal land by renewable energy companies, is public record. Reid's shady federal land dealings with his corporate backers in Nevada are another matter of public record. His ties to the people building solar farms nearby (First Solar) are also public record. That building said solar farms requires increased conservation on land Bundy is using and thus the removal of Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. That Reid's former adviser came into his new position as head of the agency and immediately began the push to remove Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. All I am doing is saying that none of that is a mere coincidence and you would have to be pretty naive to suggest otherwise. It is just garden-variety corruption in action and exactly what one should expect from our leading politicians.
    No really, it is one big conspiricy man. The government, iot is trying to steal land from a guy man. It is a big scam...

    Oh **** that, this **** has been disproven some time ago. Did Sen. Harry Reid drive the standoff at the Bundy ranch for personal gain? | PunditFact
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Is it even possible for the citizens to bully the government?
    Sure is. We're looking at it here. You have people inventing a call to arms for a non-existent right and fighting anyone who tells them otherwise.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    But what you're not getting is WHY we spend more than anyone else. Yes, teacher pay is the largest single cost...but we've got a host of expenses in our schools that most other countries don't. For instance, buses. Yes, other nations have buses...but how many of them actually spend for big honking buses for the entirety of their rural areas? A lot of other nations use much smaller and more fuel-efficient oversized vans.

    Another big expense is special ed. I've had medically-fragile Foster children in my home for nearly 15 years...and every public school in America (but not the private schools) is required to be able to transport, teach, and care for those special-needs children. Sometimes - as was the case for my kids - the school had to pay for a nurse just for my child for several years. Now the school's "only" paying for just a caregiver for him at school, as long as there's a nurse handy for emergencies like the short seizure he had today.

    Another big expense is the cafeteria. Yes, a lot of other nations have cafeterias in their schools...but not all of them. Some nations require kids to bring lunches.

    One of the biggest expenses is our school sports - NO other nation has to spend anything like what we do on sports, because just about every high school has both a football stadium (and football equipment and weight room) and a basketball court, and sometimes even a baseball stadium, too. These cost a LOT of money. What do other nations have? Sometimes basketball...but usually only soccer, if that...and even if they do have a soccer field, they don't have to spend anywhere near what we do on football equipment.

    And let's not forget the newest big expense that our 2A-loving nation has in our schools that other nations largely don't worry about at all - armed security, sometimes even with metal detectors. We pay for that, too.

    In other words, it's a big mistake to think that it's because of our teacher salaries that we're spending so much on education. We pay our teachers above the average, but our teachers get nowhere near the top pay (Luxembourg, $72K for first-year teachers (ours is $53K). It's all the other crap we're paying for that's making our education budgets so huge.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Charged they should be, those non-chivalric bastards who are so below that of man that they must hide behind and ENDANGER their opposite gender (not that women are weak, but men are generally stronger, well, GENERALLY stronger... Maybe not here... in this case...).

    Pray to something that these fools don't aim at the FBI again, let alone shoot, because in that case they all may as well be erased from this Earth so as to cleanse it of some of its trash.
    What are FBI agents doing there when it is all abut not paying for grazing rights? Does the FBI now get involved in all tax situations? This is government overkill, perhaps literally.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No really, it is one big conspiricy man. The government, iot is trying to steal land from a guy man. It is a big scam...

    Oh **** that, this **** has been disproven some time ago. Did Sen. Harry Reid drive the standoff at the Bundy ranch for personal gain? | PunditFact
    What was disproven is the scare-mongering about the great yellow menace playing some role in the controversy. Actual evidence points to the Gold Butte needing to have increased protection because First Solar is gonna be building some more solar farms nearby. In order to build those solar farms while still "protecting" the desert tortoise requires them to carry out "mitigation strategies", which sometimes involves a little tortoise trail of tears as they are relocated from the land being developed by big business to other plots of land, at great loss of little tortoise life, so they can be "protected" there instead. Bundy, stupid independent-minded prole he be, happens to be using the land of the future enhanced tortoise reservation to preserve his livelihood. There are actually public papers stating his "trespass cattle" seriously complicate the "mitigation strategy" connected with one of those solar farms. Natch, that **** has to stop in order for them to maintain the whole "protecting the desert tortoise" boondoggle that allows them to drive away independent ranchers in favor of big business projects. As I said, not a conspiracy, it's just good business.

    It really is not about him alone, he just happens to be the only one who did not bow to their decrees and was thus able to stay around. The fact that the same year of the first major court injunction against Bundy neatly coincided with Reid pushing for increased access to federal land for corporate exploitation is another one of them convenient coincidences. Do you really think American politics is so clean that the better explanation for all these incredible coincidences is that it is mere happenstance and they are really just trying to enforce the law for the greater good? Why now? Why did they wait five years after he stopped paying to push the first major court case? Why wait another 15 before threatening direct law enforcement action? Why did it only start happening in earnest in March of this year? Too much of the stuff hinting at corrupt bargains and ulterior motives lines up too well with the timeline for it to make sense that this was about anything more than brushing aside one last impediment to corporate exploitation of federal lands by Reid's major donors.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Libbos wanted bussing. You got it. Don't complain about it.
    Ohhhh the ol busing argument. Little Johnny didnt want to go to school with a black child.


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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If you believe that Bundy should have paid his fines and are opposed to the current situation (to be fair, i am also opposed to the current situation), what alternative do you suggest, given that Bundy has made his choice?
    Certainly not armed confrontations. Freeze his bank accounts. Garnish his assets. Lean his property. But, put the guns down.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Certainly not armed confrontations. Freeze his bank accounts. Garnish his assets. Lean his property. But, put the guns down.
    I would agree with a lot of that. The BLM miscalculated.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I didn't know making people pay fees for usage was bullying. May as well start shoving guns in the faces of DMV employees.
    You have it backwards. It's more like the DMV showing up at your house in SWAT gear when you failed to renew your tags. You probably think that is appropriate too.
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