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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

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    Do you have a right to bully the government when you have no right to graze on public land?
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    There's only been a handful of pictures of one guy - the same guy, from different angles - and in none of them can you see a federal officer on the receiving end of the gun. None.
    He was aimed right at the feds. Sorry your bias blinded you.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Just like they want the schools to educate the kids better but don't want to pay the taxes for it....
    Even though this is a bit off the topic, what a completely ignorant statement. If you think that the problem with education in this country is a shortage of money, then you really need to get educated. We spend more money per student than anyone in the world. Watch "The Cartel" before you make such comments. Don't want to pay??? We are paying through the nose.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, when we have people who confront law enforcement with guns in order to keep them from evicting a freeloader who refuses to pay for the use of federal lands, who offer to put their women on the front lines so that, should the shooting start, the agents will look bad for shooting them (remember: Taliban) then the FBI is likely to want to investigate those people.

    Who saw that one coming?
    Do you support having women in the military serving on the front lines ?

    I've noticed those who have condemned that women were within the group of supporters of Bundy are the same people advocating that women serve on the front lines with the grunts.

    BTW: I've watched many videos of the stand off in the Mojave and didn't see anyone hiding behind any women.

    But I digress.

    Who ordered the FBI to conduct an investigation ? Eric Holder maybe ?

    What federal crime was committed by these supporters. I've watched the videos and didn't see any.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did they teach you that in order to have a better education you need to spend still more money per student? If money was the answer Americans would be the best educated people in the world.
    But what you're not getting is WHY we spend more than anyone else. Yes, teacher pay is the largest single cost...but we've got a host of expenses in our schools that most other countries don't. For instance, buses. Yes, other nations have buses...but how many of them actually spend for big honking buses for the entirety of their rural areas? A lot of other nations use much smaller and more fuel-efficient oversized vans.

    Another big expense is special ed. I've had medically-fragile Foster children in my home for nearly 15 years...and every public school in America (but not the private schools) is required to be able to transport, teach, and care for those special-needs children. Sometimes - as was the case for my kids - the school had to pay for a nurse just for my child for several years. Now the school's "only" paying for just a caregiver for him at school, as long as there's a nurse handy for emergencies like the short seizure he had today.

    Another big expense is the cafeteria. Yes, a lot of other nations have cafeterias in their schools...but not all of them. Some nations require kids to bring lunches.

    One of the biggest expenses is our school sports - NO other nation has to spend anything like what we do on sports, because just about every high school has both a football stadium (and football equipment and weight room) and a basketball court, and sometimes even a baseball stadium, too. These cost a LOT of money. What do other nations have? Sometimes basketball...but usually only soccer, if that...and even if they do have a soccer field, they don't have to spend anywhere near what we do on football equipment.

    And let's not forget the newest big expense that our 2A-loving nation has in our schools that other nations largely don't worry about at all - armed security, sometimes even with metal detectors. We pay for that, too.

    In other words, it's a big mistake to think that it's because of our teacher salaries that we're spending so much on education. We pay our teachers above the average, but our teachers get nowhere near the top pay (Luxembourg, $72K for first-year teachers (ours is $53K). It's all the other crap we're paying for that's making our education budgets so huge.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Damn law enforcement actually investigating potential criminal activity...
    The people they should be investigating are Harry Reid and the rest of the Nevada political mafia for their blatant corruption. I mean, honestly now, look at how this is playing out. Why did they suddenly have some court cases pushing this idea of seizing the cattle towards the end of 2013? How come the move to take armed action against Bundy began in March? Do they really care about these fines and unpaid fees so much that they are actually going to expend more resources trying to remedy the situation? Look at the parties involved and that tells you all you need to know. It is not about Bundy paying his due or abiding by the rules. The other people in his county who did that found themselves unable to make ends meet and clocked out. He needs to be driven out of the area so that Reid and his various pals in the Nevada corporo-political machine can take more land and make some more damn money on the taxpayer's dime. That is why Reid's former adviser sent in the armed thugs. In the old days of the Wild West, Reid's corporate backers would at least have the decency to send in actual hired thugs so no one was under any delusions regarding what it was about rather than having them masquerade as federal law enforcement to conceal their purpose.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact they did. It was called the Civil War.



    We're talking about a different set of people and a different war now-The U.S. Civil War was fought to correct some of the mistakes made by those who fought the Revolutionary War.

    There are a few people in the USA who are still fighting and re-fighting the Civil War in their minds, but the results will not change anytime soon.

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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

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    Does slavery still exist? Do women have equal rights?



    There is still slavery on this planet, and-no, women don't have equal rights.

    We're getting closer, but we're not there, yet.




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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The people they should be investigating are Harry Reid and the rest of the Nevada political mafia for their blatant corruption. I mean, honestly now, look at how this is playing out. Why did they suddenly have some court cases pushing this idea of seizing the cattle towards the end of 2013? How come the move to take armed action against Bundy began in March? Do they really care about these fines and unpaid fees so much that they are actually going to expend more resources trying to remedy the situation? Look at the parties involved and that tells you all you need to know. It is not about Bundy paying his due or abiding by the rules. The other people in his county who did that found themselves unable to make ends meet and clocked out. He needs to be driven out of the area so that Reid and his various pals in the Nevada corporo-political machine can take more land and make some more damn money on the taxpayer's dime. That is why Reid's former adviser sent in the armed thugs. In the old days of the Wild West, Reid's corporate backers would at least have the decency to send in actual hired thugs so no one was under any delusions regarding what it was about rather than having them masquerade as federal law enforcement to conceal their purpose.
    Yeah man, it is a conspiracy, man.
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    re: FBI investigating Bundy supporters in BLM dispute[W:338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah man, it is a conspiracy, man.
    Calling it a conspiracy would make it seem like some dirty little secret. None of this is being done covertly. That the BLM is run by one of Reid's former advisers, whose main claim to fame was pushing exploitation of federal land by renewable energy companies, is public record. Reid's shady federal land dealings with his corporate backers in Nevada are another matter of public record. His ties to the people building solar farms nearby (First Solar) are also public record. That building said solar farms requires increased conservation on land Bundy is using and thus the removal of Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. That Reid's former adviser came into his new position as head of the agency and immediately began the push to remove Bundy's cattle is another matter of public record. All I am doing is saying that none of that is a mere coincidence and you would have to be pretty naive to suggest otherwise. It is just garden-variety corruption in action and exactly what one should expect from our leading politicians.
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