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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I don't think you understand how leverage works.
    Ad hominem.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's all oligarchy and forced local monopoly through government law as it stands. The cable and internet companies experience significant benefit from law and government legislation which prevents free market capitalism and ensures near local monopoly. There's a reason America pays more for and has slower speeds of the internet than almost any other industrialized, modern country.
    Thats an argument in favor of less govt, not more. And it looks like we're near the top to me.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ad hominem.
    It's not Ad hominem.. You claim that "The consumer has the ultimate leverage: money. Comcast can not operate without customers. ". I replied : I don't think you understand how leverage works. Ad hominem is a way of arguing a point because of an attack. ie... i'm right because you're "<insert insult here>". This is simply questioning your understanding of a term; one I don't think you understand.



    Most people have only one, maybe two reasonably high bandwidth ISPs to choose from. The only way a consumer has leverage is if the consumer has a choice to pick an net neutral ISP. Clearly you can see how as soon as the ban was lifted, Comcast, ATT, and Verizon began purposefully slowing down traffic they didn't like. So where's the leverage?

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's not Ad hominem.. You claim that "The consumer has the ultimate leverage: money. Comcast can not operate without customers. ". I replied : I don't think you understand how leverage works. Ad hominem is a way of arguing a point because of an attack. ie... i'm right because you're "<insert insult here>". This is simply questioning your understanding of a term; one I don't think you understand.


    Most people have only one, maybe two reasonably high bandwidth ISPs to choose from. The only way a consumer has leverage is if the consumer has a choice to pick an net neutral ISP. Clearly you can see how as soon as the ban was lifted, Comcast, ATT, and Verizon began purposefully slowing down traffic they didn't like. So where's the leverage?
    Saying nothing more than "I dont think you understand" is the same as saying 'youre dumb'. So yes, its an ad hominem.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I think you might have it backwards. Net neutrality prevents tiered access to internet content. It states that you get equal access to every website on the internet by your ISP, and that your ISP cannot block access to content. Without it, Comcast can decide to shut off all of its users' access to competitor content, effectively censoring the internet.
    It will result in tiered charges. A buy as you go plan...Dont take my word for it, listen to what Comcast, Time-Warner, Verizon etc etc etc are telling you will happen if this goes through.

    The ISP's are telling you that if they are not allowed to throttle speeds to some sites (video streaming, live on line gaming etc), there wont be enough band-with to handle the flow of information.

    There will be tiered charging for access. Argue it all you want to....I dont care. This is coming directly from the ISP's mouths.


    And the "Comcast can decide to shut off all of its users' access to competitor content, effectively censoring the internet." is addressed in the fair access act. Its already law that they can not block content....slow it down to regulate traffic yes, but not block it.
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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    It will result in tiered charges. A buy as you go plan...Dont take my word for it, listen to what Comcast, Time-Warner, Verizon etc etc etc are telling you will happen if this goes through.

    The ISP's are telling you that if they are not allowed to throttle speeds to some sites (video streaming, live on line gaming etc), there wont be enough band-with to handle the flow of information.

    There will be tiered charging for access. Argue it all you want to....I dont care. This is coming directly from the ISP's mouths.


    And the "Comcast can decide to shut off all of its users' access to competitor content, effectively censoring the internet." is addressed in the fair access act. Its already law that they can not block content....slow it down to regulate traffic yes, but not block it.
    You know what Comcast did to Netflix. They throttled users of the service as extortion to get Netflix to pay Comcast money. And that is whom you're asking me to trust?

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    net neutrality should be law. without it, startups and sites like DP are at a major disadvantage, as they cannot afford to buy preferential treatment. the internet is the single coolest communications tool ever invented, and the ISPs should not be allowed to ruin it.
    It's not about the ISP's, it's about control, and this is just a way for the government to control the internet.
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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not about the ISP's, it's about control, and this is just a way for the government to control the internet.
    i'm fine with them preventing a tiered internet. the site you're bitching on right now would be in the slow lane, and startups would have an even more significant disadvantage.

    **** that.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm fine with them preventing a tiered internet. the site you're bitching on right now would be in the slow lane, and startups would have an even more significant disadvantage.

    **** that.
    Yes, but it's really not about ISP's and money is all I'm saying, it's about government and power.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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