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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    net neutrality should be law. without it, startups and sites like DP are at a major disadvantage, as they cannot afford to buy preferential treatment. the internet is the single coolest communications tool ever invented, and the ISPs should not be allowed to ruin it.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    As I said previously:
    By definition, a Tier 1 network is an IP network which conducts traffic via settlement-free interconnection. There are seven of them in the US: L3, TeliaSOnera, CenturyLink, Vodafone, Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T. ISPs are Tier 2 and Tier 3 networks. That means your traffic is going to often go Source->T3->T2->T1->T2->T3->You.
    And as I said, those are agreements between big corporations, not govt. Youre original comment was "The internet runs mainly on public networks on opensource software." Its not.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And as I said, those are agreements between big corporations, not govt. Youre original comment was "The internet runs mainly on public networks on opensource software." Its not.
    I'll revise, regulated, settlement free networks and open source software.

    Extortion is also an agreement.

    Everyone pays for the bandwidth they use. Net neutrality isn't about someone not paying for upstream bandwidth. Netflix pays money to connect to the internet at a certain rate. You pay money to connect to the internet at a certain rate. This is a third party saying that netflix needs to pay them money or else they'll delay their service .

    You're in IT and don't understand the implications?

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I'll revise, regulated, settlement free networks and open source software.

    Extortion is also an agreement.

    Everyone pays for the bandwidth they use. Net neutrality isn't about someone not paying for upstream bandwidth. Netflix pays money to connect to the internet at a certain rate. You pay money to connect to the internet at a certain rate. This is a third party saying that netflix needs to pay them money or else they'll delay their service .

    You're in IT and don't understand the implications?
    I understand the implications when you let govt get a foot in the door. Except by now they are living your house rent free. Im not against consumers pushing for net neutrality. Im against govt forcing it.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    congressional oversight.


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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I understand the implications when you let govt get a foot in the door. Except by now they are living your house rent free. Im not against consumers pushing for net neutrality. Im against govt forcing it.
    A government foot in the door? That's the outrage?

    A startup comes up with a great innovative idea. They pay money for research and development. They beta test, revise, and perfect. Then they pay for server farms and all the bandwidth they need. Eventually their product catches on and starts to make money.

    Comcast sees that and says hey... we want a piece. They go to the startup and say look, lots of people are using our service to get to you..... Sooo either you pay us money or else we're going to degrade the performance of your stuff on our network.

    Obviously people have to pay for their bandwidth. But you shouldn't have to pay twice, to a third party..especially when that third party essentially has a monopoly on the service.

    What leverage does a consumer have? None. This is nothing more than a shamless money grab by people who don't innovate to extort money from the people who do.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    A government foot in the door? That's the outrage?

    A startup comes up with a great innovative idea. They pay money for research and development. They beta test, revise, and perfect. Then they pay for server farms and all the bandwidth they need. Eventually their product catches on and starts to make money.

    Comcast sees that and says hey... we want a piece. They go to the startup and say look, lots of people are using our service to get to you..... Sooo either you pay us money or else we're going to degrade the performance of your stuff on our network.

    Obviously people have to pay for their bandwidth. But you shouldn't have to pay twice, to a third party..especially when that third party essentially has a monopoly on the service.

    What leverage does a consumer have? None. This is nothing more than a shamless money grab by people who don't innovate to extort money from the people who do.
    The consumer has the ultimate leverage: money. Comcast can not operate without customers. They cant get customers unless they give them something they want.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The consumer has the ultimate leverage: money. Comcast can not operate without customers. They cant get customers unless they give them something they want.
    I don't think you understand how leverage works.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The consumer has the ultimate leverage: money. Comcast can not operate without customers. They cant get customers unless they give them something they want.
    It's all oligarchy and forced local monopoly through government law as it stands. The cable and internet companies experience significant benefit from law and government legislation which prevents free market capitalism and ensures near local monopoly. There's a reason America pays more for and has slower speeds of the internet than almost any other industrialized, modern country.
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