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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I was just clarifying that I didn't call Obama a cog of the Republicans, as you have written; but rather a cog of the Republocrats. As we essentially just have a single party and both R and D work for the same end.
    You might not have intended to, but the way you said it made the joke irresistible to me. I find vast differences between conservatives and liberals, but find a lot of similarity in the democrats and republicans!

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So if you can't get it the correct way it's ok to re-interpret laws? I'm well aware that its done alot. Doesn't mean that we should not speak out about it when it happens. And certainly not allow it just because its something that we want. Because next time it may be something that we don't want.
    Here's my understanding of what happened. The DC circuit court said that the previous method of implementing net neutrality relied on authority that the FCC didn't have. But the court also endorsed the spirit of the rules and gave them a legal path forward. The FCC was then free to pursue that path.

    Is this not what happened?

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    I believing that removing net neutrality is a power grab helps the cause of net neutrality, just grin and nod and let them unwittingly help a good cause. Arguing their in accuracy won't get the job done.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Awesome, more regulation. Why? Because we can.
    The federal government wants complete control and censorship over the internet...

    I'd be banned by the government from posting online for my politics - democrat or republican.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you seriously against net neutrality?
    Anyone who has done any real research into it is against it. Dont let the moniker "net neutrality" make you think that it is something it is not.

    They can name any regulatory action with some catchy name, that doesnt make it what it is...politicians are famous for giving horrible legislation some catchy name to make it sound all warm and fuzzy and lovable all the while shoving that knife into your backs deeper and deeper.
    Know the truth and the truth will make you mad, because the truth has no agenda.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Anyone who has done any real research into it is against it. Dont let the moniker "net neutrality" make you think that it is something it is not.

    They can name any regulatory action with some catchy name, that doesnt make it what it is...politicians are famous for giving horrible legislation some catchy name to make it sound all warm and fuzzy and lovable all the while shoving that knife into your backs deeper and deeper.
    So what is "'Net neutrality"?

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    By definition, a Tier 1 network is an IP network which conducts traffic via settlement-free interconnection
    Peering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    (That means I route your traffic, you route my traffic, and neither of us pays each other)

    As for the rest, there is WAY more to it than that. Ever hear of Apache? SSL? osCommerce? Linux? The amount of free software you're using to write those posts is impossible to list. The way the internet works is that you take what's there and use it to produce something new. Then you try and make money off of the new stuff you've made. In return for free use of all of the free stuff that's out there; all you have to do is release any improvements, bug fixes, etc.. to the preexisting infrastructure.

    Am I right in assuming that you're not in a tech field? Because I have never met anyone who's livelihood depended on the internet who thought that it was somehow a good idea to allow the least technically innovative participants in the internet to pick winners and losers based on who they could extort the most money from.

    Imagine a world in which Google was launched without net neutrality. A far inferior search engine like Altavista could just go to Comcast and buy priority. Even though the new Google search engine has a better search routine, it would lose because Altavista searches would be far faster. Do you really think that's a good idea? Why would we want to discourage competition?
    In fact I am in IT. And again, a Tier 1 network is owned by a big corporation. Its not public. They may not pay each other, but someone is paying someone. Routers aren't free, electricity isn't free, tech support isn't free.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In fact I am in IT. And again, a Tier 1 network is owned by a big corporation. Its not public. They may not pay each other, but someone is paying someone. Routers aren't free, electricity isn't free, tech support isn't free.
    As I said previously:
    By definition, a Tier 1 network is an IP network which conducts traffic via settlement-free interconnection. There are seven of them in the US: L3, TeliaSOnera, CenturyLink, Vodafone, Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T. ISPs are Tier 2 and Tier 3 networks. That means your traffic is going to often go Source->T3->T2->T1->T2->T3->You.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So what is "'Net neutrality"?
    By forcing the internet providers to treat all internet traffic equally, it will result in tiered content charges....kind of like your cell phone plans but a little different.

    Rather than charge you by the GB used to view content, they will charge you by the content you view itself...You just want to check e-mails and read the news then you pay X amount access every month. Oh, you want to be allowed to download a song it is X+Y a month. Add in file sharing X+Y+Z.

    You only have the XYZ plan and you watched a video on Facebook last month and you dont pay for streaming data, that will cost you an additional X per second watched.

    Thats just one of the things the regulations do.

    Most of what the proponents claim the "Net Neutrality" is supposed to do has already been done with the fair access act.

    The proponents want to re-write existing law and add in a bunch of regulatory crap all hoping that you wont realize it.



    Put it like this....the bill is backed by Democrats.
    Democrats who are trying to regulate, ban or tax everything under the sun...are the ones wanting this to go through.

    just because they are calling it "'Net neutrality" doesnt mean that it is a good thing.

    Im going to have some legislation submitted and I am going to call it the "loving puppy act" - you certainly can not vote against it...do you hate loving puppies that much? The law has nothing to do with loving puppies, it actually has to do with exterminating stray animals on the spot, but Im going to call it the "loving puppy act" because...well...how can you vote against it?
    Know the truth and the truth will make you mad, because the truth has no agenda.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    By forcing the internet providers to treat all internet traffic equally, it will result in tiered content charges....kind of like your cell phone plans but a little different.

    Rather than charge you by the GB used to view content, they will charge you by the content you view itself...You just want to check e-mails and read the news then you pay X amount access every month. Oh, you want to be allowed to download a song it is X+Y a month. Add in file sharing X+Y+Z.

    You only have the XYZ plan and you watched a video on Facebook last month and you dont pay for streaming data, that will cost you an additional X per second watched.
    I think you might have it backwards. Net neutrality prevents tiered access to internet content. It states that you get equal access to every website on the internet by your ISP, and that your ISP cannot block access to content. Without it, Comcast can decide to shut off all of its users' access to competitor content, effectively censoring the internet.

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