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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Internet backbone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nope. Backbones are Tier 1 networks. By definition, a Tier 1 network is an IP network which conducts traffic via settlement-free interconnection. There are seven of them in the US: L3, TeliaSOnera, CenturyLink, Vodafone, Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T. ISPs are Tier 2 and Tier 3 networks. That means your traffic is going to often go Source->T3->T2->T1->T2->T3->You.



    I don't understand this mindset in which someone gets to profit from something someone else did. Comcast didn't build the internet. They didn't write the code which runs the internet. They didn't develop, build, own, or maintain the hardware which serves as the backbone of the. They didn't pay for any of the innovation. They only serve as the offramp taking traffic from the internet to you house. Why should Comcast be able to force businesses to pay them more in order to stay in business. That's closer to extortion than anything else.

    What if the Tier 1 providers were to do the same thing? Do you think any of the ISP's clamouring for the ability to gouge their customers would just take that sitting down?
    Nope, A tier1 network is owned by private companies. They have private agreements as to how traffic travels. There is nothing public about it. Comcast gets to profit from it, because they own a significant percentage of it. They install the switches and routers, they run the cables, they install the servers and software, and keep it running. They connect to other ISPs. Thats what the internet is. The taxpayers, the govt did nothing but fund the initial idea, and then regulate the hell out of it, when private individuals and companies made it truly what it is.

    Youre right though that if Tier1 companies decided to change the business model, their competitors wouldnt like it. They would use their own leverage to deal with it. Consumers would too. Thats what commerce is.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The Libertarian rule is simple: if you build your business partially or wholly out of free public (taxpayer) resources (i. e. federal/state subsidies), then you must be regulated. Otherwise, you're completely left alone.

    Broadband providers received billions of dollars in subsidies to build their infrastructes, whereas the majority of pure content providers did not.

    Therefore, broadband providers should be regulated, whereas content providers shouldn't. The End.
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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    We need to stop this nonsense and keep net neutrality going

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    We need to stop this nonsense and keep net neutrality going
    At this point in time I'm forced to agree with you. Plus, I bloody love your forum handle. I'm about to do some tacomancing myself. With extra green salsa.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

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    Just in case anyone at DP forgot, partisanship still rules the day! As poster's comments like this illustrate, some people will go a mile out of their way make "partisanship" the central theme of.............everything.


    Obama is a "cog" in the republican machine?

    Wow only two pages in and this thread has already been derailed. And in more than one direction. Yay.

    Me? I'm against granting the FCC any more power than they have managed to grab for themselves. Regardless that republicans and democrats created it in 1934. There really is nothing surprising about the idea that another federal agency seeks to grow and strengthen itself. No matter which recent POTUS you pick. So call them republicrats and democants if you want, but blame them both and all. Rather than reach back to 1934 for a brain dead reason we should not have an opinion or be opposed to this today. Yeah that's a brilliant approach to stupidity!
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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Why doesn't congress just go ahead and make a firewall already? I mean... they've got the whole telecom spying thing down pat, might as well add full internet censorship to the list.

    You just know they want to do it too.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    The destruction of internet equality will be the transparent declaration of our oligarchy.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't say Republican. Read more carefully.
    Pssst. Read more carefully, I used your clever term. As well as the equally clever term democants.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    I swear to god... every time the wealthy want to **** over the people and rob them the right-wingers are right there holding their hand doing everything in their power to help them. My ideology says this is a good idea! I support it cuz private cumpaneez are gud and gubmint is bad!

    I have to wonder just how ****ing stupid you people are.

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    Re: FCC’s grab for new regulatory power could go beyond broadband providers

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Nope, A tier1 network is owned by private companies. They have private agreements as to how traffic travels. There is nothing public about it. Comcast gets to profit from it, because they own a significant percentage of it. They install the switches and routers, they run the cables, they install the servers and software, and keep it running. They connect to other ISPs. Thats what the internet is. The taxpayers, the govt did nothing but fund the initial idea, and then regulate the hell out of it, when private individuals and companies made it truly what it is.

    Youre right though that if Tier1 companies decided to change the business model, their competitors wouldnt like it. They would use their own leverage to deal with it. Consumers would too. Thats what commerce is.
    By definition, a Tier 1 network is an IP network which conducts traffic via settlement-free interconnection
    Peering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    (That means I route your traffic, you route my traffic, and neither of us pays each other)

    As for the rest, there is WAY more to it than that. Ever hear of Apache? SSL? osCommerce? Linux? The amount of free software you're using to write those posts is impossible to list. The way the internet works is that you take what's there and use it to produce something new. Then you try and make money off of the new stuff you've made. In return for free use of all of the free stuff that's out there; all you have to do is release any improvements, bug fixes, etc.. to the preexisting infrastructure.

    Am I right in assuming that you're not in a tech field? Because I have never met anyone who's livelihood depended on the internet who thought that it was somehow a good idea to allow the least technically innovative participants in the internet to pick winners and losers based on who they could extort the most money from.

    Imagine a world in which Google was launched without net neutrality. A far inferior search engine like Altavista could just go to Comcast and buy priority. Even though the new Google search engine has a better search routine, it would lose because Altavista searches would be far faster. Do you really think that's a good idea? Why would we want to discourage competition?

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