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Russian Bombers Buzz California[W:21:34]

(Reuters) - The head of U.S. air forces in the Pacific said on Monday that Russia's intervention in Ukraine had been accompanied by a significant increase in Russian air activity in the Asia-Pacific region in a show of strength and to gather intelligence.
General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said the activity had included Russian flights to the coast of California, and around the U.S. Pacific island of Guam.
Carlisle said the number of long-range Russian patrols around the Japanese islands and Korea had increased "drastically." He said there had also been "a lot more ship activity as well."
Speaking at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, Carlisle showed a slide of a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepting a Russian "Bear" aircraft over Guam. He used the Cold War NATO name for Russia's Tupolov Tu-95 strategic bomber.
"Certainly what's going on in Ukraine and Crimea is a challenge for us and it's a challenge for us in Asia Pacific as well as Europe," Carlisle said.
He said there had been "a significant" increase in Russian activity in the Asia Pacific "and we relate a lot of that to what's going on in the Ukraine."
"They've come with their long-range aviation out to the coast of California, they've circumnavigated Guam," he said.
"That's to demonstrate their capability to do it, it's to gather intel," Carlisle said, adding that the surveillance had included observation of military exercises involving U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan.
"There are things that are concerning with respect to how they operate and how transparent they are with other nations in the vicinity," he said.
Carlisle did not give details of the incidents and the Defense Department and the U.S. Air Force and Navy in the Pacific did not immediately respond to a request for more information.
Mike Green, senior vice president for Asia at CSIS, said the frequency of incidents was up and described them as being "evocative of the Cold War".
Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in 2007 that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace that were suspended in 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Putin, who made the announcement during a joint military exercise with China, said the move was necessary to guarantee Russia's safety and that other nations had not followed Moscow's example in suspending such flights

U.S.: Russian planes flew near California, Guam, in upped activity | Reuters

i guess this could explain why the U2 spy plane was over LAX.
 
Hate to break it to you Nick. But we have ships and airplanes near them every minute of every day. Shall we bomb them?

Hate to break it to you that we don't have ships or airplanes even close to "Russia."

Do you have geographical problems or something?

Sure we have subs, planes and ships around their satellite states but not Russia.
 
i guess this could explain why the U2 spy plane was over LAX.

U2's were decommissioned 35+ years ago.

They're now using Aurora aircraft for recon.
 
Hate to break it to you that we don't have ships or airplanes even close to "Russia."

Yes. Actually we do. Never mind Alaska, we are always near them. Bet your ass our subs are too.

Do you have geographical problems or something?

LOL. Does Russia border both the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea? Why yes it does. Geography not your strong suit?

Sure we have subs, planes and ships around their satellite states but not Russia.

Geography 101...it's your friend.
 
Pretty soon, Putin is going to stuff Obama in a trash can by the bike racks and steal his lunch money.
 
Nope, she watched them take off and land in Russia. They turned right before her backyard and headed for California.

It's more than likely any Russian bomber flying towards Mexifornia (formerly California) would fly near Alaska. It's called the "Great Circle Route." It may look longer but actually it's a shorter route.

If you have ever flown from the Gay Bay (formerly San Fransisco) to Tokyo, Japan you fly right over the Alaskan Aleutian Islands.
 
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Do you know what homophobia is ?

It's the fear of having a penis in your mouth.

I''m a homophobe, how about you ?

Only if you change the definition of the word

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Note how "irrational" is used in the definition. Also why are you afraid of a penis ending up in your mouth, are you worried there are flying penises around you might accidentally choke on, or that one would sneak into your mouth while you sleep? Do you think you're at risk for being orally raped by another man?
 
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Only if you change the definition of the word

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Note how "irrational" is used in the definition. Also why are you afraid of a penis ending up in your mouth, are you worried there are flying penises around you might accidentally choke on, or that one would sneak into your mouth while you sleep? Do you think you're at risk for being orally raped by another man?

Sorry, pretend that I'm wall without a glory hole.
W:21, W:34
 
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Only if you change the definition of the word

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Note how "irrational" is used in the definition. Also why are you afraid of a penis ending up in your mouth, are you worried there are flying penises around you might accidentally choke on, or that one would sneak into your mouth while you sleep? Do you think you're at risk for being orally raped by another man?

Are you talking like this because California is in the thread title?

Anyway, not flying penises but back to flying Russian nuclear bombers. It reminds me of the 1980s when Russian bombers routinely flew near our coasts for either practice bomb runs or to travel to and from Cuba. Is the Cold War back on now?
 
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Are you talking like this because California is in the thread title?

Anyway, not flying penises but back to flying Russian nuclear bombers. It reminds me of the 1980s when Russian bombers routinely flew near our coasts for either practice bomb runs or to travel to and from Cuba. Is the Cold War back on now?

Heya Porchev. :2wave: Well the Brits say its a bit unusual with what they have been dealing with.
 
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Are you talking like this because California is in the thread title?

Anyway, not flying penises but back to flying Russian nuclear bombers. It reminds me of the 1980s when Russian bombers routinely flew near our coasts for either practice bomb runs or to travel to and from Cuba. Is the Cold War back on now?

I'm talking about it because Apache said the Russians wouldn't come to cali because there were drag queens there, as if they have some allergic reaction to homosexuality or to men dressing as women.
 
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Are you talking like this because California is in the thread title?

Anyway, not flying penises but back to flying Russian nuclear bombers. It reminds me of the 1980s when Russian bombers routinely flew near our coasts for either practice bomb runs or to travel to and from Cuba. Is the Cold War back on now?

It seems so.

And I don't see another Reagan coming off the plains to end it.

Russia and China both see Obama as a weak and inexperienced and are making their moves on the geopolitical chess board and Obama doesn't even know how to play chess.

Both Obama and Kerry have made a stupid comment that geopolitics ended in the world on January 1st, 2000. :lamo

I saw yesterday that China now has an oil drilling platform in contested territorial waters in the South China Sea.

China and Russia knows that after five years of Obama changing the mission and culture of the U.S. military and the dismantling of a once powerful military that could deploy hundreds of thousand troops anywhere in the world cant be done today. Todays Obama's PC Navy has problems keeping just two carriers at sea while 1/2 of the Air Force aircraft can't fly because of the lack of maintenance, spare parts and even the lack of fuel not forgetting that Obama grounded 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons.

Worse case scenario, Obama gets us in a shooting war.

Chinese ships ram Vietnamese vessels trying to stop oil rig in disputed waters, Vietnam says

Vietnam: Chinese ships ram vessels near oil rig - US News
 
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Punking our weak President is worth the jet fuel. This is what happens when we elect liberals.

I thought Reagan helped kill the USSR by making them spend too much on defense? Getting Putin to waste money on foolish posturing is the same thing.
 
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About two years ago a fighter squadron was conducting a week long combat flight training missions and during the middle of the mission the entire squadron was pulled out of the sky. While their aircraft were being refueled the pilots were ordered to return to their home base to attend mandatory sensitivity training classes. I **** you not.

You are aware of the Air Force drag queens performing on U.S. Air Force bases ? I **** you not.

Performing what? Fellatio? LOL.
 
U2's were decommissioned 35+ years ago....

That's nonsense. The U2 Spy Plane: Still Going Strong, Still Terrifying to Fly | Autopia | WIRED

When the Lockheed U-2 first took to the air in 1955, it was a fragile, hard-to-maneuver beast good for one thing—snapping photos from more than 70,000 feet overhead. The U-2 is still a fragile, hard-to-*maneuver beast, but it still flies plenty of missions, because the alternatives aren’t great. Satellites can drift half a planet away from their targets, and the only comparable drone, the Global Hawk, cannot *manage the same kind of payload, sensor capability, or altitude. That doesn’t mean engineers haven’t made a few improvements to the U-2 though. Today it has a 40 percent larger airframe, a more efficient engine, and a computerized instrument panel. Plus, pilots no longer fly with cyanide pills in case of capture.

Besides which, I've watched them take off from Beale AFB for nearly 20 years, and with a pair of binoculars, I can actually watch them taxi on the tarmac at Beale.

This link shows a photo of a U2 taking off from Beale... http://airman.dodlive.mil/2012/09/u-2-above-all/

Next time you feel the urge to post something totally off-the-wall, do yourself a favor and Google it first.
 
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I thought Reagan helped kill the USSR by making them spend too much on defense? Getting Putin to waste money on foolish posturing is the same thing.

I was not talking about Putin-I was talking about Obama-the chump in chief.
 
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It seems so.

And I don't see another Reagan coming off the plains to end it.

Russia and China both see Obama as a weak and inexperienced and are making their moves on the geopolitical chess board and Obama doesn't even know how to play chess.

Both Obama and Kerry have made a stupid comment that geopolitics ended in the world on January 1st, 2000. :lamo

I saw yesterday that China now has an oil drilling platform in contested territorial waters in the South China Sea.

China and Russia knows that after five years of Obama changing the mission and culture of the U.S. military and the dismantling of a once powerful military that could deploy hundreds of thousand troops anywhere in the world cant be done today. Todays Obama's PC Navy has problems keeping just two carriers at sea while 1/2 of the Air Force aircraft can't fly because of the lack of maintenance, spare parts and even the lack of fuel not forgetting that Obama grounded 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons.

Worse case scenario, Obama gets us in a shooting war.

Chinese ships ram Vietnamese vessels trying to stop oil rig in disputed waters, Vietnam says

Vietnam: Chinese ships ram vessels near oil rig - US News

I like how you Right-Wingers keep throwing out this "Obama's perceived as weak by the Russians and Chinese" non-sense out there. If they really believed that, don't you think they've have tried to invade the U.S. by now? Don't you think China would have aligned themselves with NKorea last year when they had the chance w/all of Kim Jung Ill 2's "I'll nuke America" rhetorical non-sense when they had the chance? Don't you think Russia would have sided w/Assad and not even gotten involved with negotiates to get him to destroy his chemical weapons? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Putin to talk Assad into keeping them and using them against us in an all-out invasion?

If Russia and China really believe our President to be so weak and they alone were so superior, why haven't they attack us yet? The simple answer is they'll never do it alone. They just don't have the means.

As for your claims of a depleted Air Force/Navy at the Obama Administration's expense, someone clearly hasn't been keeping up with that military aircraft graveyard we maintain in Nevada or the on-going plans to build a joint strike fighter that can be outfitted for use by all four branches of our military to replace our aging air fleet. Or the fact that we've been building better stealth ships with better surface-to-air/surface-to-surface early warning systems for years.

Just as we mothballed lots of old WWII ships when they became too old and/or our war fighting tactics changed and our military began to upgrade, it's no different today. Out with the old, in with the new. Perhaps you should lay off all the "liberals don't like the military" rhetoric and go get yourself some facts concerning changes in our military readiness.
 
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I like how you Right-Wingers keep throwing out this "Obama's perceived as weak by the Russians and Chinese" non-sense out there.

I mean, come on. Is there really any question that Obama is weak? Putin has been walking all over him for years.

If they really believed that, don't you think they've have tried to invade the U.S. by now?


Invade the U.S.??? Have you lost all sensibility? You think that they would just invade us if we have a weak President? So, since we haven't been invaded, Obama is not weak? LOL! God the ways that the left will bend and twist logic to try and reason, void of logic, the Obama is doing a good job.
The guy is gutting our military, those countries know that Obama has severely limited our ability to project power. And they know he wouldn't do anything if we could anyway. The next competent President will have his work cut out for him trying to get our military back to place where they can actually protect us.
 
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