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(Reuters) - The head of U.S. air forces in the Pacific said on Monday that Russia's intervention in Ukraine had been accompanied by a significant increase in Russian air activity in the Asia-Pacific region in a show of strength and to gather intelligence.
General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said the activity had included Russian flights to the coast of California, and around the U.S. Pacific island of Guam.
Carlisle said the number of long-range Russian patrols around the Japanese islands and Korea had increased "drastically." He said there had also been "a lot more ship activity as well."
Speaking at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, Carlisle showed a slide of a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepting a Russian "Bear" aircraft over Guam. He used the Cold War NATO name for Russia's Tupolov Tu-95 strategic bomber.
"Certainly what's going on in Ukraine and Crimea is a challenge for us and it's a challenge for us in Asia Pacific as well as Europe," Carlisle said.
He said there had been "a significant" increase in Russian activity in the Asia Pacific "and we relate a lot of that to what's going on in the Ukraine."
"They've come with their long-range aviation out to the coast of California, they've circumnavigated Guam," he said.
"That's to demonstrate their capability to do it, it's to gather intel," Carlisle said, adding that the surveillance had included observation of military exercises involving U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan.
"There are things that are concerning with respect to how they operate and how transparent they are with other nations in the vicinity," he said.
Carlisle did not give details of the incidents and the Defense Department and the U.S. Air Force and Navy in the Pacific did not immediately respond to a request for more information.
Mike Green, senior vice president for Asia at CSIS, said the frequency of incidents was up and described them as being "evocative of the Cold War".
Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in 2007 that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace that were suspended in 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Putin, who made the announcement during a joint military exercise with China, said the move was necessary to guarantee Russia's safety and that other nations had not followed Moscow's example in suspending such flights

U.S.: Russian planes flew near California, Guam, in upped activity | Reuters
 
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LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A U.S. Air Force General is sounding a warning in regards to recently accelerated Russian military activity over the Pacific, claiming that a number of Russian long-ranged aircraft have patrolled as far as the coast of California.
General Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle said that a number of long-ranged, Russian airborne patrols over the Pacific included a Tupolev TU-95 bomber, which was intercepted by a U.S. F-15 Fighter Jet over Guam.
More troubling, according to General Carlisle, is that some of the Russian flights reportedly extended all the way to the coastline of California.
“What Russia is doing in Ukraine and Crimea has a direct effect on what’s happening in the Asia-Pacific,” Gen. Carlisle said, highlighting areas of the Pacific on a map. “Some of the things we’ve seen is their long-ranged aviation, and the increase in that… They’ve come with their long-ranged aviation out to the coast of California. They’ve circumnavigated Guam.”
A Russian expert from USC’s Center of International Studies suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent moves, which have some in California feeling unsettled, may be meant to test the United States militarily, but more-so economically.
“…the last thing you want is to actually have some nineteen year old Russian fighter pilot shoot down an American jet,” Professor Ben Graham told CBS2′s Dave Bryan. “When you start playing these games, there’s always the risk of someone going too far and provoking at a level you didn’t intend.”
The risky strategy does little to calm worries that Putin is determined to rebuild to former Soviet Union, which could spark a second Cold War.
Despite this concern, Professor Graham suggests 2014 Russian Federation is nowhere near as powerful as the Soviet Union was in the 1950s.
“He’s too weak to do that,” Professor Graham said. “I mean, the Cold War emerged between a very powerful Soviet Union and a powerful West, and now we have a powerful West and a not-so-powerful Russia. There’s an upper limit on how severe Putin can make this conflict before it sinks Russia economically.”

USAF General: Russian Long-Ranged Aircraft Skim California Coast « CBS Los Angeles
 
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Someone is getting uppity.
 
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Don't worry, Obama is the Commander in Chief.

As soon as the Russians discover there are drag queens on U.S. Air Force bases on Guam, Kadena AFB in Okinawa and California, they'll keep a distance.
 
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Someone is wasting a lot of jet fuel for nothing.

That as well. You think they are using that overpriced green fuel?
 
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Soon in California... LOL



Fallen.
 
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That as well. You think they are using that overpriced green fuel?

With how much money we waste on defense I find it amusing to single out something because it is "green". You guys are like Pavlovs dog. Did you ever think that it might be a test to see if jets can really fly on algae? That in the future it might actually be cheaper to make fuel that way? Billion and billions wasted on a jet fighter nobody wants and green fuel is all you can complain about?
 
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So reading the actual sources, no one buzzed anything, the worst case is that some planes went to the coast, where the US kindly did not shoot them down as not being worth the time. Somehow I am not overly concerned...
 
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With how much money we waste on defense I find it amusing to single out something because it is "green". You guys are like Pavlovs dog. Did you ever think that it might be a test to see if jets can really fly on algae? That in the future it might actually be cheaper to make fuel that way? Billion and billions wasted on a jet fighter nobody wants and green fuel is all you can complain about?

They are also basing it on startup costs and not actual production costs.
 
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So reading the actual sources, no one buzzed anything, the worst case is that some planes went to the coast, where the US kindly did not shoot them down as not being worth the time. Somehow I am not overly concerned...

The Air Force couldn't shoot them down, they were attending mandatory sensitivity classes at the time.

They probably didn't even have any fuel for their F-15's and F-16's because some other fighter was fueled with $150 per gallon green fuel. At $150 per gallon, that would have filled the fuel tanks of over 40 F-15's.
 
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They are also basing it on startup costs and not actual production costs.

That's what they were saying two years ago. It just keeps going up in price.

What's going on, the Obama administration is bypassing DARPA.
 
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The Air Force couldn't shoot them down, they were attending mandatory sensitivity classes at the time.

They probably didn't even have any fuel for their F-15's and F-16's because some other fighter was fueled with $150 per gallon green fuel. At $150 per gallon, that would have filled the fuel tanks of over 40 F-15's.

That is, not surprisingly, wrong in every possible way. Good to see your idea of debate is still making **** up.
 
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That's what they were saying two years ago. It just keeps going up in price.

What's going on, the Obama administration is bypassing DARPA.

That is because people keep recycling the same crap. Get a new outrage, this one failed miserably the last time you tried it.
 
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That is, not surprisingly, wrong in every possible way. Good to see your idea of debate is still making **** up.

I'm not making **** up.

Are you saying no sensitivity classes were conducted on the day Russian bombers approached California ?

The cost of fueling one F-15 with PC green fuel, 40 F-15's could have been fueled at the same cost with politically incorrect JP-4.
 
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I'm not making **** up.

Are you saying no sensitivity classes were conducted on the day Russian bombers approached California ?

The cost of fueling one F-15 with PC green fuel, 40 F-15's could have been fueled at the same cost with politically incorrect JP-4.

Do you know why we don't use JP-4 any more? Hint: overly volitile and builds up a static charge. Why you would even bring up something that we have not used in some years, I dunno. It is kinda stupid and shows your usual ignorance when it comes to the military.
 
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So reading the actual sources, no one buzzed anything, the worst case is that some planes went to the coast, where the US kindly did not shoot them down as not being worth the time. Somehow I am not overly concerned...
But we should be.

On the one hand, it's not like the Russians or the German or even the Japaneses have never flown a plane in U.S. airspace before nor sailed a surface or submarine into U.S. waters. There's plenty of evidence to prove they've all done it in the past and in some cases long before the public (or our intelligence agencies) even knew they were their. What makes this recent Russian sortie interesting is they hadn't tried in over 20 years. So, Russia's starting to "stretch their legs". The question the Joint Chiefs need to start asking themselves is "how do we stop it before things get out of hand?" My :2cents: worth:

1) increase surface/air surveillance in the Pacific and Atlantic.

2) Send a couple of our fighter-bombers to zip right up to the edge of Russia's airspace...see how they like it.
 
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That's what they were saying two years ago. It just keeps going up in price.

What's going on, the Obama administration is bypassing DARPA.

If that's really the case, why should you be upset about it considering DARPA is an overpriced arm of federal bureaucracy filled with cost-overruns and red tape? It's really just a big, over-priced military think-tank. Don't get me wrong, however. Some of the ideas they've come up with have paid off big time to improve our military fighting capabilities, but most of our military weapons concepts actually come from the private sector - same as they always have. I'd think that someone like you who's so anti-big government would relish the idea that DARPA is being bypassed for more military concepts that come straight from the minds of enterprising minds within the private sector.

Oh, wait...that only works if it's a part of big gubment you want to keep in order to continue throwing around the notion that a liberal president is anti-military and weak on national defense. Okay...carry-on with your ideological propaganda. :2wave:
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Last I saw this thread was about Russian aircraft buzzing California and Guam. Not green fuel for jets. Stick to the topic.
 
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So reading the actual sources, no one buzzed anything, the worst case is that some planes went to the coast, where the US kindly did not shoot them down as not being worth the time. Somehow I am not overly concerned...

I think I agree, it would take virtually no effort at all to turn those bombers into scrap metal. Let them fly by and think they did something.
 
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Do you know why we don't use JP-4 any more? Hint: overly volitile and builds up a static charge. Why you would even bring up something that we have not used in some years, I dunno. It is kinda stupid and shows your usual ignorance when it comes to the military.

What does a Navy guy know about JP-4? :lol: j/k it was a safe handling issue. It is very unhealthy stuff...plus what you said. JP-8 (kerosene) stinks but is safer. JP-5, well it's just Navy being the Navy. :mrgreen:
 
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The Air Force couldn't shoot them down, they were attending mandatory sensitivity classes at the time.

I'm not making **** up.

If you aren't making **** up, please show proof where the Air Force was holding sensitivity classes to such a point they couldn't respond to this and that sensitivity classes were the reason.

Really sad that you have to lie, but then I expect no honesty from a Con.
 
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Don't worry, Obama is the Commander in Chief.

As soon as the Russians discover there are drag queens on U.S. Air Force bases on Guam, Kadena AFB in Okinawa and California, they'll keep a distance.

The Russian Army has been known to have incidents of forcing conscripts into male prostitution to make money for the rest of the unit, they aren't as worried about catching the "gay cooties" as you are.
 
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