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Scientists Create First Living Organism With 'Artificial' DNA

Henry David said:
In terms of consciousness and spirituality, we might already be immortal.
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Uh...let's see. People who subscribe to an after life...might say that. But which one of "WE" are you talking about? The mortal vessel "We" or the supernatural being that was implanted in our mortal vessels by the supreme supernatural being?
 
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Tralfamadore said:
Sure, but science offers the possibility of curing Reeves. Religion doesn't.
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Oh, the possibility, but now you out of the context of the image being discussed.
 
American said:
Oh, the possibility, but now you out of the context of the image being discussed.
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No. Just because science has not found the cure to ALL diseases or illnesses doesn't make the image any less true. There is a rather long list of illnesses and diseases that we could insert as a caption into the image being discussed.
 
Removable Mind said:
Uh...let's see. People who subscribe to an after life...might say that. But which one of "WE" are you talking about? The mortal vessel "We" or the supernatural being that was implanted in our mortal vessels by the supreme supernatural being?
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By 'we' I mean the species.
 
American said:
It's great that you can be SO certain about things.
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Great, show me a case where prayer alone cured a disease.

Show proof.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Already explained in other threads how I am mainly Liberal yet have other views compared to Liberals.

Yes, in terms of handling cruel criminals, I do give a "child-like" faith in the govt. It's bad enough these murderers get fed and housed for life, may as well put them to use.
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That's a very conservative attitude. I hesitated and then decided to tell you that your relationship with the government is where your liberalism starts. If you want to put power of life and death and power to perform human genetic experiments on prisoners into the hands of the state -or allow the state to take those powers- I'm saying you're the polar opposite of liberal and would have a stellar career in North Korea.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Someone is probably going to bash me for this but why not experiment this on criminals convicted for things like mass murder and mass rape? Not like we need them anymore, perfect beings to test this on, think of it as hell for what they did in case hell doesn't exist :D
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Instead of doing something so grotesque we could just alter experimental consent laws to allow volunteers to take on more hazardous experiments. I don't doubt that there are plenty of people, convicts included, who would take it on. That assumes that this is a serious impediment for scientists to begin with. Which I don't think it is.
 
beefheart said:
Great, show me a case where prayer alone cured a disease.

Show proof.
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Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
 
American said:
Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
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Nothing in this article suggests that prayer along cures disease. The article states that prayer helps reduce stress, gives an individual a more positive outlook and a general sense of well-being, which in turn, produces a more healthy lifestyle. But, the article is quite clear that prayer should never be an alternative to high-tech treatment and medicine.
 
American said:
Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
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It seems the power of the pyramid is also useful in helping living things heal and thrive.
 
American said:
Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
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Ultimately? That is a broad brush statement. Lots of dead people out there who would beg to differ. Sometimes people get well on their own, but it isn't because of a supernatural event brought on by prayer.
 
American said:
Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
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LOL.

You know the story of the guy who was healed as part of the study? The first few pages of the Medscape article?

If you look at the actual published study, prayer was shown to have done nothing. But why actually pay attention to the science when you can pick anecdotes that make you feel better?

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)66910-3/fulltext
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.

You know the story of the guy who was healed as part of the study? The first few pages of the Medscape article?

If you look at the actual published study, prayer was shown to have done nothing. But why actually pay attention to the science when you can pick anecdotes that make you feel better?

Music, imagery, touch, and prayer as adjuncts to interventional cardiac care: the Monitoring and Actualisation of Noetic Trainings (MANTRA) II randomised study : The Lancet
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One time a child threw my kitten up in the air. It landed badly on 1 foot. I put my hands firmly around the leg and prayed. It magically healed! 0.0 Or maybe it was jsut really badly cramped and i somehow massaged it. :p I remember not being able to be pissed at the kid and praying "Fix this kitten for your glory, for my glory, for our glory" and boom it worked. *wiggles fingers*
 
Grand Mal said:
That's a very conservative attitude. I hesitated and then decided to tell you that your relationship with the government is where your liberalism starts. If you want to put power of life and death and power to perform human genetic experiments on prisoners into the hands of the state -or allow the state to take those powers- I'm saying you're the polar opposite of liberal and would have a stellar career in North Korea.
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Already told you I have too many liberal views to be conservative yet for very select cases (basically just Justice-wise) I have conservative ideals.

Yeah I think I could have a stellar career in NK. Shut down all labor camps, plead to the world to end isolation, come to terms with the U.S., possibly open up trades, and the GDP on that ALONE should easily triple in the long run most likely more. Turn NK into an SK duplicate.
 
American said:
Can Prayer Heal?

You really don't seem to understand how the human mind works. You do know that the body ultimately heals itself, and that medicine is a catalyst?
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Sure, and the only time a reaction can EVER occur is if there is a catalyst, you seemed to make the point that medicine plays a minor role when really it doesn't.

I have heard being spiritual can improve someone's health (I believe it, they're probably less stressed and such) but I've never heard of one person being spiritual/religious helping someone else who is questionable, I think that's bull****.
 
Every year I pray that the Cubs will win the world series. A lot of good it does...
 
HenryChinaski said:
Every year I pray that the Cubs will win the world series. A lot of good it does...
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Heh.

I recently read a science fiction book, wherein the Cubs finally won the world series.

It was set in the year 2540 or something, I don't remember exactly. A few hundred years from now at least, however.
 
Demon of Light said:
This is a scary thought too as we get into that most terrifying scenario constantly warned about in popular media. At a certain point, humanity's desire to attain status akin to godhood leads to an inexorable decline towards barbarity and fascism as moral values rapidly decline since science and rational empiricism provide no solid moral foundation.
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We're MORE barbaric now than we were in past ages? Really? And societies with higher access to technology are also less moral than those with less techology?

Dont know what history you've been taught or have read. Nor what other countries you've examined currently. How about looking at stealing women in Nigeria right now? The genocide in Rwanda that's finally winding down? The fear-based culture run by drug lords in Colombia? C'mon, the list is huge. And then I compare them to The Netherlands, Switzerland, Scandinavia, Canada....
 
ludin said:
yeah you can build immunity to that and not all of those worked out well. we are talking about DNA manipulation there is no immune system for that.
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LOL

This is a pretty funny post.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Someone is probably going to bash me for this but why not experiment this on criminals convicted for things like mass murder and mass rape? Not like we need them anymore, perfect beings to test this on, think of it as hell for what they did in case hell doesn't exist :D
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Wow, you continue to demonstrate any preconceived notions I've gotten from your previous posts.

Again, just a personal observation but also an acknowledgment that you dont seem to recognize it yourself.
 
Lursa said:
Wow, you continue to demonstrate any preconceived notions I've gotten from your previous posts.

Again, just a personal observation but also an acknowledgment that you dont seem to recognize it yourself.
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I've acknowledged perhaps everything, not sure what you continue to pester me about, I'm arrogant and I'm cruel to those who are cruel. The second part of your final sentence was hilariously false, I knew this at the age of 12.

You found out something everyone else knew already, wanna cookie?
 
Luftwaffe said:
I've acknowledged perhaps everything, not sure what you continue to pester me about, I'm arrogant and I'm cruel to those who are cruel. The second part of your final sentence was hilariously false, I knew this at the age of 12.

You found out something everyone else knew already, wanna cookie?
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Yeah, I guess I just wanted some validation on it. Thanks. But it's a stereotypical arrogance that just seems supported by so many common elements, that of Nazism, that I found it disturbing. I can deal with it, no worries :)
 
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