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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I'm all for legalization of pot but, SSM and homosexuality are out right sins.

    Least my morality has substance instead of just feelings.
    There are LOTS of LEGAL things that are sins. So again, legal doesn't mean YOU have to do it, therefore your morals are not affected if YOU don't do them if legal. YOU want to force people to abide by YOUR morals.

    Two gay guys getting married doesn't affect YOUR morals. Unless of course you find yourself having an urge to marry someone of the same sex.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There are LOTS of LEGAL things that are sins. So again, legal doesn't mean YOU have to do it, therefore your morals are not affected if YOU don't do them if legal. YOU want to force people to abide by YOUR morals.

    Two gay guys getting married doesn't affect YOUR morals. Unless of course you find yourself having an urge to marry someone of the same sex.
    When one sins there are consequences that spill over to us all...family, friends, co-workers etc and blot out the presence of God in our lives.

    If I lived on an island by myself, I doubt I would care but, since I don't....
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When one sins there are consequences that spill over to us all...family, friends, co-workers etc and blot out the presence of God in our lives.

    If I lived on an island by myself, I doubt I would care but, since I don't....
    Denying SSM doesn't stop the so called sin of homosexuality.

    You clearly hate freedom and only wish to make everyone else abide by your morals.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When one sins there are consequences that spill over to us all...family, friends, co-workers etc and blot out the presence of God in our lives.

    If I lived on an island by myself, I doubt I would care but, since I don't....
    I don't think that morality should be based on the laws of a bronze age tribe living in the desert

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I wonder if he outlawed denial of Stalinist atrocities too. Hmmm...let me think...
    That would seem a reasonable question except for the fact that Stalin's atrocities
    were so colossal that virtually every family was touched by them, and anyone who
    denied them would be taken for an idiot.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    This bold portion is the only part that I have problems with. Whereas the areas regarding axis war crimes- overwhelimingly Nazi are clearly defined by the reference to the crimes tried at Nurenburg, "spreading false information about the activities of the Soviet Union" can be very vague.

    For example, would books detailing deportations of Chechens, Kalmyks, Tatars, Volga Germans, etc. be considered "spreading false information". What about Soviet repressions in eastern Poland, or the Baltic states? Or, what about books detailing early Soviet incompetence both miliarily and administratively (certain number of avoidable deaths in Leningrad)?
    I agree that they used some quite vague terminology, but unfortunately they use it pretty much in almost every law now.

    Regarding the ugly sides of communism, I"ll try to explain it using one of the most divisive issues as an example - Stalin.
    Even after all this time Russia is still struggling to find a common ground on the role of Stalin in Russia's history. There is a very deep divide in Russia's history scholars circles/general public regarding him:
    1. Some see him as a great leader that lead a country to a great victory in WWII, usually refusing to hear anything bad a bout him and his era.
    2. Others see him only as a murderous blood thirsty devil that only killed people, and refuse to accept anything good that happened during his rule.
    3. The third group either understands the complicated picture of Stalin's rule, or simply doesn't care.

    In my opinion, although the third group is by far the largest one, the first two are the most vocal ones and they also have vocal representatives in the media and government. Until few years ago Russia's schools and historical debates were filled with numerous books and self-proclaimed history experts, each trying to push his "unique" view of history.

    Now there is a new "unified history book" in the works, I believe that the exact wording regarding Stalin wasn't yet actually reviled (though I might be wrong as I don't particularity follow the news about it) but from what I read, it at least partially manages to represent history at somewhat an unbiased manner, thought both the anti and pro camps already managed to critic it.

    Getting back to the law - imo the usage of such vague definition is a failed attempt to put some more clarity to Soviet era history, while trying not to agitate any of the hardcore sides of the argument.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Denying SSM doesn't stop the so called sin of homosexuality.

    You clearly hate freedom and only wish to make everyone else abide by your morals.
    I CLEARLY dislike sin and it's effect on society in general. You don't want to lead a moral existence...fine. Go find a nice place to do it where it doesn't affect your family, friends and acquaintances and spread it's vile consequences..
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't think that morality should be based on the laws of a bronze age tribe living in the desert
    We know. You would prefer there was no morality at all...right?
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes
    Do you think this was a good choice by him?
    So Russians have been denying Nazi war crimes and USSR's role till now. Putin has about had it with such behavior and now bans any Russian from denying Nazi war crimes and USSR's role in WW2 any futher? Are the Russians in Crimea obliged to follow suite?
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Calling Putin a true Christian is like saying Osama Bib Laden was a Jew.
    Why?

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    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

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    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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