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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    He is a devout Christian.
    Cool.

    At least he and President Obama have something in common!

    obama-church-hawaii.jpg

    As for the OP, no, it's not "good".

    "Outlawing" basic human rights, like the ability to say what's on your mind regardless of whether or not others like or agree with it, is never a good thing.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes
    Do you think this was a good choice by him?
    I think I am the only person left who believes in the universal good of free speech.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Putin seems born-again. (judging by the edicts he's laid down lately)
    Hitler used false faith to garner support as he gained power. It was a lie.

    Look no further than his actions to see he is no Christian.
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    For a minute there I thought you were talking about Al Sharpton.
    I could be, but is this a topic about Al Sharpton? Is Al Sharpton relevant to this discussion? Does the fact that Al Sharpton uses religion to achieve political ends somehow mean that Putin doesn't use religion for that purpose? Just what exactly are you ****ing driving at here? What is your intent with this post other than to derail the thread?

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I don't 'not' believe it. What's the alternative, believing Obama? the Media?
    It's not an "either/or" proposition.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    The article is how to say it...well it's yahoo. I haven't seen the actual law yet but here is what is written at President of Russia

    Vladimir Putin signed Federal Law On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation.

    "The Federal Law aims to oppose attempts to infringe on historical memory in relation to events that took place during World War II.

    The Federal Law makes it a criminal offence to deny facts recognised by the international military tribunal that judged and punished the major war criminals of the European Axis countries, approving the crimes this tribunal judged, and deliberately spreading false information about the Soviet Union’s activities during World War II.

    Criminal penalties are increased if the above-mentioned activities are carried out by individuals using their official position or mass media, or by fabricating proof of accusations.

    The Federal Law also makes it a criminal offence to publicly spread information on military and memorial commemorative dates related to Russia’s defence that are clearly disrespectful of society, and publicly desecrate symbols of Russia’s military glory. The Federal Law sets administrative liability for legal entities that commit these offences."


    Btw. TV Rain wasn't "taken off" it still broadcasts: TV Rain the situation it was involved in was much more complicated.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I could be, but is this a topic about Al Sharpton? Is Al Sharpton relevant to this discussion? Does the fact that Al Sharpton uses religion to achieve political ends somehow mean that Putin doesn't use religion for that purpose? Just what exactly are you ****ing driving at here? What is your intent with this post other than to derail the thread?
    Just trying to add a little perspective.

    And if a one sentence post can derail an entire thread then I would say that the thread was probably in desperate need of derailing. No matter, though. Carry on...

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes
    Do you think this was a good choice by him?
    It's an image molding suppression of free speech. It's a soft ball self-aggrandizing move.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    The Federal Law makes it a criminal offence to deny facts recognised by the international military tribunal that judged and punished the major war criminals of the European Axis countries, approving the crimes this tribunal judged, and deliberately spreading false information about the Soviet Union’s activities during World War II.
    This bold portion is the only part that I have problems with. Whereas the areas regarding axis war crimes- overwhelimingly Nazi are clearly defined by the reference to the crimes tried at Nurenburg, "spreading false information about the activities of the Soviet Union" can be very vague.

    For example, would books detailing deportations of Chechens, Kalmyks, Tatars, Volga Germans, etc. be considered "spreading false information". What about Soviet repressions in eastern Poland, or the Baltic states? Or, what about books detailing early Soviet incompetence both miliarily and administratively (certain number of avoidable deaths in Leningrad)?

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As long as it is YOUR God and a Morality YOU agree with of course. Many Cons love to force their morality down other people's throats but hate it when others do it to them.
    You mean force your lack of morality down our throats
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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