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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Run away then mate, run away...and as a general suggestion, try not to form your opinions based on "media outlets", but on facts.

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    No need to runaway "mate." I did not come here to "runaway" from anyone. Further nothing you have ever presented for your pro-Russian position can stand as a "fact." Your "evidence" is of "media outlet" nature also. What we do here then is compare notes and take positions on what we believe happened.
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No need to runaway "mate." I did not come here to "runaway" from anyone. Further nothing you have ever presented for your pro-Russian position can stand as a "fact." Your "evidence" is of "media outlet" nature also. What we do here then is compare notes and take positions on what we believe happened.
    It is very simple;
    You "suggested' that the referendum was "rigged", I asked you to present your evidence to support your "suggestion", you failed to do so.
    Neither "note comparison", nor your usual "but, but look at Russsians/Russia...", etc, have anything to do with your "suggestion" and the lack of evidence that you have to support it.

    Btw. Regarding evidence in the media. The evidence itself is what needs to be assessed/analysed on its' own merit, not on the fact that something has been published or reported somewhere. Moreover, different claims require different degrees of evidence - "suggesting" that it is going to rain tomorrow, is not the same as "suggesting" that tomorrow US would start bombing China.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    I guess Putin doesn't want people to bring up the fact that the Russian army brutally raped and killed millions of German women on their way to Berlin.........all encouraged by the Soviet propaganda minister........

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    It is very simple;
    You "suggested' that the referendum was "rigged", I asked you to present your evidence to support your "suggestion", you failed to do so.
    I presented evidence in the form of media. Just like you. You asked for personal picture taking and such. Somehow I was suppose to go to Ukraine and take picture for you. Thanks, but I have a life you know. The media alone usually does it. Feel free to criticize the media, not me who presented it and made you aware of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Neither "note comparison", nor your usual "but, but look at Russsians/Russia...", etc, have anything to do with your "suggestion" and the lack of evidence that you have to support it.
    The elections in Crimea were rigged according to that link. In other links the minority voted. Those are what I have. Now to compare notes. Your media claims it was not rigged and the majority voted. So what really happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Btw. Regarding evidence in the media. The evidence itself is what needs to be assessed/analysed on its' own merit, not on the fact that something has been published or reported somewhere. Moreover, different claims require different degrees of evidence - "suggesting" that it is going to rain tomorrow, is not the same as "suggesting" that tomorrow US would start bombing China.


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    Agreed. Compare notes then?
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    I guess Putin doesn't want people to bring up the fact that the Russian army brutally raped and killed millions of German women on their way to Berlin.........all encouraged by the Soviet propaganda minister........
    It depends whether the atrocities committed from Russians on the way to Berlin (and out) is already mention in their history books or not. If it is not mentioned at all then it looks likely that this may be why Putin made a preventive move in this regard.

    But surely there should be some hints of their atrocities in their own histories? They cannot clear away all of their atrocities and wrong doings and force a pure humane Russia in their textbooks can they? None could share such a position and role in WW2 of theirs outside of Russia and its' realm of influence.
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I presented evidence in the form of media. Just like you. You asked for personal picture taking and such. Somehow I was suppose to go to Ukraine and take picture for you. Thanks, but I have a life you know. The media alone usually does it. Feel free to criticize the media, not me who presented it and made you aware of it.

    The elections in Crimea were rigged according to that link. In other links the minority voted. Those are what I have. Now to compare notes. Your media claims it was not rigged and the majority voted. So what really happened?
    Agreed. Compare notes then?
    You're either trolling, or you're just a lost case mate... keep on with your life and forget that this conversation ever happened.

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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Uh… yes on banning such vile nonsense like Holocaust denial but this is interesting: "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of the USSR during the years of World War Two" because I strongly doubt that officially approved Russian History books and textbooks for schoolchildren reveal or discuss anything remotely considered controversial in effect being one of the most sanitized teachings of history on the planet.
    Don't fool yourself, there's plenty of false history in US history books as well.
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    Re: Russia's Putin outlaws denial of Nazi crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't fool yourself, there's plenty of false history in US history books as well.
    I never said there wasn't.

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