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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

That's because Americans are more likely to throw money at a problem, real or perceived, than the Russians, Chinese, or most anyone else.

That is the U.S.'s main problem, instead at getting to the root of any problem that arises, they just throw money at it. If the amount of money thrown at the problem didn't solve it, next year the good old USA doubles the amount and so on and so on.
 
Take a pot and put it under the water faucet and run water into it, and set up a hose and a pump that removes water from the pot just as quickly as the faucet pours the water into the pot.

That is equilibrium.

Now start adding a teaspoon of water to the pot every few seconds. The pot will begin to fill. It will fill slowly, but it will fill because the pump removing the water cannot increase its pumping capacity.

Do you see? It does not matter that the teaspoon is adding far less water than the faucet that is pouring continuously - the pump can't handle the amount added by the teaspoons, and the teaspoons of water being constantly added is throwing the system out of equilibrium, and eventually the pot will fill and overflow.

So it goes with the climate - it does not matter that there are greater sources of CO2 and other greenhouse gases - what matters is that without our worldwide civilization's added output of CO2, the system was generally in balance except for the occasional great volcanic eruption or the sun putting out much more or much less energy. Even though the planet's natural processes can absorb that greater amount of naturally-produced CO2, it is not able to handle the added amount of CO2 that our civilization is emitting...and that, sir, is why the CO2 level is rising to a point where it hasn't been in all human history.

Science hasn't even determined that CO2 causes global warming. Might want to prove that first.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No, it really doesn't. The so called "science" on this is now propaganda.

No j, it isn't. And that's the problem you guys have. Why those less extreme see your side as anti science.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

addressed by people that believe in AGW and there is not a consenses by any stretch of the imagination.

The Latest Meteorologist Survey Destroys The Global Warming Climate 'Consensus' - Forbes

not to mention the nipcc is gaining ground in scientific circles.

if the consensus was so complete and not at issues then you wouldn't have climate scientists pulling their names and work from the report due to the IPCC corrupting the data.

UN Scientists Who Have Turned on the UN IPCC & Man-Made Climate Fears — A Climate Depot Flashback Report | Climate Depot

the only consensus is imaginary to alarmists to try and shut down debate.

Forbes is deceptive. Some reading:



Authors of a new study of meteorologists' views of global warming set the record straight when Forbes op-ed writer James Taylor, consistent with his long history of denial and obfuscation on climate change, selectively reports the results of a poll of members of the American Meteorological Society. Taylor claims the study shows weak support for the human contribution to global warming. In fact, as authors of the study point out below, the survey found that more than 90 percent of those respondents who are more engaged in research and publishing on climate science acknowledge the human contribution to warming.




Neil Stenhouse, et al., "Meteorologists’ views about global warming: A survey of American Meteorological Society professional members" (Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, preliminary accepted version) (article Abstract)

Taylor distorts poll of meteorologists on climate change to reach opposite conclusion of study authors | Climate Science Watch


your other claim is also rather limited to a single source. Doesn't seem to be shared by anything close to objective.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

You are free to disagree, and that is how Science is done,by disagreement, not by consensus.
The reality is there is no real consensus among Scientist, "an extremely broad understanding",
might be a better statement, but does not carry the same weight.
The way the sampling was done, would put myself in the warming camp, which I am not.

No, it is not done by exaggerating disagreement. And consensus does give us a clear idea what the science does and doesn't support.
 
Sadly, these days science has become infiltrated and corrupted by money. Politicians have figured out how to virtually launder money through scaring people with made-up science. That's the case with AGW.

This is the same science that has people popping pills at an alarming rate. The drug companies are making a fortune on the same scare tactics. People don't need to take 10 percent of what they are taking.

And remember 25 years ago when we were all going to drop like flies from AIDS? What happened to that?

There's a sliver of the scientific world still working as it should. But so much of it is purely bent on greed and political manipulation.

Again, just as it was with tobacco, the money and corruption lies most with industry. And aids was and is still deadly. What happened was money was spent on treatment and attacking the disease, and not on denying it existed.
 
Science hasn't even determined that CO2 causes global warming. Might want to prove that first.

Yes, science HAS determined it. But we can't force you to accept the science, just as we can't force you to accept evolution. You've decided that AGW can't be true...and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that in your right-wing echo chamber, all you'll hear is AGW is bad and wrong and a great hoax being used to foist higher taxes and socialism upon all the freedom-loving capitalists out there.

Which has a lot to do with why only 6% of scientists are Republican, btw.
 
Yes, science HAS determined it. But we can't force you to accept the science, just as we can't force you to accept evolution. You've decided that AGW can't be true...and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that in your right-wing echo chamber, all you'll hear is AGW is bad and wrong and a great hoax being used to foist higher taxes and socialism upon all the freedom-loving capitalists out there.

Which has a lot to do with why only 6% of scientists are Republican, btw.

Hook, line, and sinker.

Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.
 
Hook, line, and sinker.

Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.

Hate to tell you, but generally scientists tend not to be in it for the money.

You don't spend all that time in grad school and getting a fairly modest academic salary focusing upon money, especially grant money they pretty much goes to pay for equipment and grad students, not champagne and caviar....
 
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No, it is not done by exaggerating disagreement. And consensus does give us a clear idea what the science does and doesn't support.
If any consensus exists, it would have to be very vague,
something like,
Do you believe Human activity has played a roll in the observed warming?
If most people thought about it, the answer would have to be yes.
If the questions got more specific, like,
Do you believe if CO2 leaves hit 560 ppm, the ECS will be between 3 and 4.5 C?
You would likely see Scientist start to hedge their bets, like the IPCC has already done.
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed
1.5°C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all RCP scenarios except RCP2.6. It is likely to exceed 2°C
for RCP6.0 and RCP8.5, and more likely than not to exceed 2°C for RCP4.5.
This may not sound much like hedging their bets,
but remember the center of the predicted range, is 3 C.
 
Hook, line, and sinker.

Scientists who want the government to reward them handsomely for research tend to be Democrats? You don't say.

Um, can you show that most scientists work for the government? Didn't think so. That's just another strawman that y'all have bought into just to give you an excuse to ignore AGW.

And btw, it's not just the climatologists. 90% of ALL scientists (including oceanologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists, et al who see the effects of AGW in their own fields) - and every national science foundation on the planet - agree that AGW is very real.

But since the liberals agree with the scientists, well, THAT means that all those scientists must be wrong! It's a grand conspiracy, y'see...hundreds of thousands of scientists and untold millions of liberals are all in on the conspiracy, and we've successfully kept it secret from all those conservatives for all these years....
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

I'll believe global warming is a crisis when the people who say it's crisis start acting like there's a crisis rather than flying jumbo jets all over creation to go golfing with a retinue of 300 people.

On the other hand, maybe I still won't believe it.

Certainly, there is global warming going on, it's just not man's fault. Temperatures fluctuate, we can look at just the last 12,000 years and see they've gone up and down and it hasn't been our fault then either. Liberals want to blame man for everything, they want us to be responsible because they don't like the idea of being powerless. It's an emotional thing for them, not a rational thing.

Climate Change 12000 Years.jpg
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Forbes is deceptive.
only because it shows that there is no consensus.

and your link is nothing more than a alarmist website. forbes has way more credibility than so called climate science watch

your other claim is also rather limited to a single source. Doesn't seem to be shared by anything close to objective.

pot meet kettle.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Certainly, there is global warming going on, it's just not man's fault. Temperatures fluctuate, we can look at just the last 12,000 years and see they've gone up and down and it hasn't been our fault then either. Liberals want to blame man for everything, they want us to be responsible because they don't like the idea of being powerless. It's an emotional thing for them, not a rational thing.

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yep when compared to history this warming period is a blip on the radar.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

yep when compared to history this warming period is a blip on the radar.

Most global warming is caused by an increased solar cycle and increased volcanic activity. I'm still waiting to see the crazy liberals claim that man is responsible for the sun and volcanoes.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

If any consensus exists, it would have to be very vague,
something like,
Do you believe Human activity has played a roll in the observed warming?
If most people thought about it, the answer would have to be yes.
If the questions got more specific, like,
Do you believe if CO2 leaves hit 560 ppm, the ECS will be between 3 and 4.5 C?
You would likely see Scientist start to hedge their bets, like the IPCC has already done.
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf

This may not sound much like hedging their bets,
but remember the center of the predicted range, is 3 C.

It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

only because it shows that there is no consensus.

and your link is nothing more than a alarmist website. forbes has way more credibility than so called climate science watch



pot meet kettle.

No, because it is down right deceptive. Btw, Fobres is not a scientific journal. You do realize thus right?

And no, I use multiple sources, including peer reviewed sources.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.

Its obvious there is a solid knowledge AGW is real and is a real problem to anyone with a brain or not self-deluding themselves.

Look at Scientific American. A respected journal that discusses high end popular science, but is aimed toward extremely scientifically literate readers (not like, say, Discover) and has been known for excellence in scientific journalism for 150 years. Do you see the denier nonsense published there? No.

Climate - Scientific American
 
Hate to tell you, but generally scientists tend not to be in it for the money.

You don't spend all that time in grad school and getting a fairly modest academic salary focusing upon money, especially grant money they pretty much goes to pay for equipment and grad students, not champagne and caviar....
You are correct about the money, but there are other forms of compensation.
The ability to choose the direction of your own research, to be able to use the Universities research facilities.
Space to develop you own research facilities when you get funded grants,
Pools of Grad students willing to work for almost free,
Happy just to include their name on a published paper.
The prestige of being a University professor.
Light and flexible work schedule.
Limited ownership of your own creations.
These things have significant value, just not measured in dollars.
 
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It exists, and it's not that vague. Look I've read a lot, and talked to scientists at universities across the country. There is not the disagreement you suggest.
So what exactly does this consensus agree on?
Clearly if it exists, they must have agreement on something.
If it is not a vague concept, then it must be a concise concept.
 
Um, can you show that most scientists work for the government? Didn't think so. That's just another strawman that y'all have bought into just to give you an excuse to ignore AGW.

And btw, it's not just the climatologists. 90% of ALL scientists (including oceanologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists, et al who see the effects of AGW in their own fields) - and every national science foundation on the planet - agree that AGW is very real.

But since the liberals agree with the scientists, well, THAT means that all those scientists must be wrong! It's a grand conspiracy, y'see...hundreds of thousands of scientists and untold millions of liberals are all in on the conspiracy, and we've successfully kept it secret from all those conservatives for all these years....

It was a helluva lot warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now. But elections weren't won based on that day's climate, so it didn't make the Medieval internet.

Today's AGW cultish zealotry is akin to radical Islam. It is not to be questioned, for it is desperately needed to keep the big-government train on its tracks.

It's all quite transparent.
 
It was a helluva lot warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now. But elections weren't won based on that day's climate, so it didn't make the Medieval internet.

WRONG.

2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.jpg


Today's AGW cultish zealotry is akin to radical Islam. It is not to be questioned, for it is desperately needed to keep the big-government train on its tracks.

*sigh*. Why is it that every time there's something that there's something that conservatives don't like, it's compared to Islam or terrorists or Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Castro or the Holocaust or slavery?

Could it be...satan????

It's all quite transparent.

Yes, it is...to those of us who don't pretend that 90% of the world's scientists aren't all part of some kind of vast left-wing conspiracy....
 
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Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Most global warming is caused by an increased solar cycle and increased volcanic activity. I'm still waiting to see the crazy liberals claim that man is responsible for the sun and volcanoes.

Co2 is a green house gas and does trap heat. it is also toxic to breathe.
man does produce co2 but only a very very small amount of it compared to nature. according to the IPCC man only contributes 3-5% of the total co2 produced in a year.
they were forced to admit it in a congressional hearing.

the argument is if what man produces is enough to cause the entire devastation that alarmist harp on about. the answer is clearly no.
there is something else that drives hot and cold cycles besides a gas that makes up less than 1% of our entire atmosphere.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

So what exactly does this consensus agree on?
Clearly if it exists, they must have agreement on something.
If it is not a vague concept, then it must be a concise concept.

It's not a secret: climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

Climate Change: Consensus
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No, because it is down right deceptive. Btw, Fobres is not a scientific journal. You do realize thus right?

And no, I use multiple sources, including peer reviewed sources.

no you linked an alarmist site to try and prove my source wrong. yes that is called pot meet kettle.

you use peer reviewed papers by people that believe in global warming and are the same people that peer review the same papers.
umm this is what we call a conflict of interest.

Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

Some Global Warming Q&A To Consider in Light of the EPA Ruling « Roy Spencer, PhD

if you actually look at real data charts and not those politcal charts by the IPCC you can clearly see warm and cold periods that
happen in cycles.

both sites from climatologist and one a former NASA scientist so why does their information match observed and the IPCC is so far off that only 3 models they have were remotely correct?
 
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