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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.

You guys projecting isn't evidence. NASA and scientist actually measuring is.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Hah. Another guy who points to soot!

Where does this weird meme come from? WUWT?

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Whoa... you just provided a chart from 2007 on radiative forcings in an attempt to debunk a study on glacial ice melt published in 2013 and attributed my "meme" to WUWT when clearly my link was to Mother Jones. :roll:

The amount of fail in your response is amazing.
 
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More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.



Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.

Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority. So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.
 
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For me the opposite is true. NASA is part of government and I view everything the government says as political and true or false only insofar as it fits with the politics. Personally, I don't believe anything the government says.

The government has no reason to push for this, paranoid conspiracies aside. But, you find the same view well outside of government.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority. So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.

When?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Even without the 97% number! there is amble evidence of an overwhelming majority.

Then provide it. It shouldn't be hard for you to find.

So, your "1" number you can throw out. If you read back in thread, the ice melting was question. This evidence from NASA addressed that. Still, NASA and nearly every scientific organization on earth support man's contribution to Global Warming and that there will be significant consequences.

Ah, so you will now claim that the management of scientific organizations speak for all scientists. Please provide the polling data collected by these organizations from their members that shows the majority of their members endorse their claims.
 
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When the consequences? We're seeing some now, aren't we?
 
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When the consequences? We're seeing some now, aren't we?

In terms of what? Regulation and control?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Then provide it. It shouldn't be hard for you to find.



Ah, so you will now claim that the management of scientific organizations speak for all scientists. Please provide the polling data collected by these organizations from their members that shows the majority of their members endorse their claims.

I've provided it often over the years. So, no it's not hard. And no, I don't claim management, but the scientists of those organizations. Seems to me you're playing games.
Scientific societies and scientists have released statements and studies showing the growing consensus on climate change science. A common objection to taking action to reduce our heat-trapping emissions has been uncertainty within the scientific community on whether or not global warming is happening and if it is caused by humans. However, there is now an overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is indeed happening and humans are contributing to it. Below are links to documents and statements attesting to this consensus

Scientific Consensus on Global Warming | Union of Concerned Scientists


To summarize: Based on our research, there is very little dispute in the scientific community, especially among climate specialists, on whether climate change is primarily caused by natural or man-made forces. The overwhelming majority of scientists polled feel that human activity is the primary driver of climate change. Also, based on scientific studies by the IPCC and others, global warming over the past 50 years has been primarily driven by human activity.

Do scientists disagree about global warming? | PolitiFact
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

In terms of what? Regulation and control?

No, I just gave you a study on the melting ice. Measurable and verifiable.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No, I just gave you a study on the melting ice. Measurable and verifiable.

Explain the antarctic then.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Whoa... you just provided a chart from 2007 on radiative forcings in an attempt to debunk a study on glacial ice melt published in 2013 and attributed my "meme" to WUWT when clearly my link was to Mother Jones. :roll:

The amount of fail in your response is amazing.

Not as bad as your fail- trying to use a 19th century phenomenon to explain 21stcentury warming!

I guess you must be on a different 'soot' meme than I've heard before, one that is a magnitude nuttier.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Explain the antarctic then.

I did that earlier in this thread. The claim of growing ice looks at it superficially, and ignores that those scientist noting the growth show that across the entire area the ice is thinning, thus looking as if growing from a distance, but on closer examination actually losing mass. That's why it's important to read everything.
 
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Not as bad as your fail- trying to use a 19th century phenomenon to explain 21stcentury warming!

Hah, oh man, are you claiming soot is a "19th century phenomenon"? Bedrock or bust with you today, eh? Do you think humans produce more or less soot today than in the 19th Century

Because, yeah...

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Hello from Modern China.

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Where the soot cloud is large enough to see from space and made fresh daily!

I guess you must be on a different 'soot' meme than I've heard before, one that is a magnitude nuttier.

You don't really pay attention to the world around you very well...

You can do a Google image search of glaciers at your leisure, but you will find one common theme, most are covered with a layer of black soot. For instance, in Kashmir:

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In the Alps:

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In the Arctic

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And so on. It figures that a AGW die hard would try to downplay real pollution...
 
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Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

I did that earlier in this thread. The claim of growing ice looks at it superficially, and ignores that those scientist noting the growth show that across the entire area the ice is thinning, thus looking as if growing from a distance, but on closer examination actually losing mass. That's why it's important to read everything.

So the ice is melting from the inside while the outside remains the same? Or are the scientists unable to tell how high the ice is from a distance? There is a lot of wild guessing going on here.

If they can't get this right it's unlikely that they can predicate any climate change whatsoever with any certainty.
 
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Addendum to help Threegoofs figure out my soot question above:

Hint: The world population in 1850 was less than the population of China today.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

So the ice is melting from the inside while the outside remains the same? Or are the scientists unable to tell how high the ice is from a distance? There is a lot of wild guessing going on here.

If they can't get this right it's unlikely that they can predicate any climate change whatsoever with any certainty.


No wild guessing. I linked them measuring the ice. You guys jump around a lot and then forget already covered material. Again, the science is their and accepted near universally.
 
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Hah, oh man, are you claiming soot is a "19th century phenomenon"? Bedrock or bust with you today, eh? Do you think humans produce more or less soot today than in the 19th Century

Because, yeah...

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Hello from Modern China.

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Where the soot cloud is large enough to see from space and made fresh daily!



You don't really pay attention to the world around you very well...

You can do a Google image search of glaciers at your leisure, but you will find one common theme, most are covered with a layer of black soot. For instance, in Kashmir:

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In the Alps:

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In the Arctic

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And so on. It figures that a AGW die hard would try to downplay real pollution...

So you provide an article on19th century glaciers, and you say its relevant because you post 21 st century photos of smog.

You might want to look at the chart I posted a again...
 

Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

"Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".
 
Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

"Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".

Reducing taxes fixes everything. Ends global warming, cures cancer, and stops inner city violence. its the wonder fix for the ages.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No wild guessing. I linked them measuring the ice. You guys jump around a lot and then forget already covered material. Again, the science is their and accepted near universally.

Yes, that "near universally' is the troubling part which, in laymen's terms,means nobody knows with any certainty. It appears to be a conflict between religion and science.

Believe whatever you want but please don't ask the taxpayers to pay for your unsubstantiated (and rather goofy) beliefs.
 
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Every single major national scientific organization of note in the world tells them of how climate change is already affecting the world and how much more it will affect the world...and what do the conservatives worry about? Taxes.

"Hundreds of billions for defense, but not one penny to address the worldwide danger the scientific community is warning us about".

Climate change has always affected the world, as well as the immediate area in which it occurs. This does not come as a shock or revelation to anyone. The Farmer's Almanac can tel you as much.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

So you provide an article on19th century glaciers, and you say its relevant because you post 21 st century photos of smog.

You might want to look at the chart I posted a again...

I don't need to look at it again. That chart is a list of forcings for air temperature, the energy trapped by black carbon that melts snow does not contribute to the air temperature.
 
Climate change has always affected the world, as well as the immediate area in which it occurs. This does not come as a shock or revelation to anyone. The Farmer's Almanac can tel you as much.

Here's a clue, guy: when one gallon of gas (which weighs less than ten pounds) is burned, it generates about 20 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's about a half billion cars operating in the world today, and if each one uses about a ten-gallon tank of gas per week (and I think I'm being conservative on that one), do the math - that's about 100 billion pounds of CO2 added to our atmosphere.

Per week.

From cars alone, not counting what comes from factories, power plants, ships, trains, planes, and the methane from cattle. Add to that all the deforestation that's taken place over the past couple centuries - which detracts from our planet's ability to absorb the CO2...

...and frankly, guy, I would say the onus is on AGW deniers to prove that what we're adding to the atmosphere does not cause global warming. 97% of climate scientists are satisfied that it's proven, every single national science foundation on the planet are satisfied that it's proven, 90% of all other scientists are satisfied that it's proven...and every single alternate excuse offered by the AGW deniers has been handily disproved and debunked.

But I guess I'm just wasting my time, since it's SO much more important to the Big Oil-funded Right to protect their Big Oil sugar daddy than it is to listen to the overwhelming majority of the scientific community - most of which gets NO additional funding because of their research into AGW.
 
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