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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

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Boo Radley said:
Yes, everyone who doesn't fit your narrative is corrupt. Odd, they were saying the same things under Bush. They're doing the science, doing the actual observation. But those sitting at their computer screens no more. Color me shocked. :coffeepap
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More logical fallacy.
 
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j-mac said:
Oh please spare me. Political agenda doesn't equal conservation.
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political agenda? are you serious? regardless of any political agenda you speak of, it is still happening. Just because a bunch of politicians are trying to make money off of it, doesn't make it any less true. Conservatives can deny it all they want, they can call it an agenda, they can call it whatever the hell they like... It doesn't change the fact one bit that if we continue polluting at this rate we will be damning our future generations to an enormous crisis.

Why do conservatives only think about money? They ****-bricks when they think about their children and the National Debt, but they don't give a damn (actually are hostile) to the idea that the pollution we spew into the atmosphere at an alarming rate ACTUALLY has an effect on what happens. It blows my ****ing mind.
 
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OnWisconsin said:
political agenda? are you serious? regardless of any political agenda you speak of, it is still happening. Just because a bunch of politicians are trying to make money off of it, doesn't make it any less true. Conservatives can deny it all they want, they can call it an agenda, they can call it whatever the hell they like... It doesn't change the fact one bit that if we continue polluting at this rate we will be damning our future generations to an enormous crisis.

Why do conservatives only think about money? They ****-bricks when they think about their children and the National Debt, but they don't give a damn (actually are hostile) to the idea that the pollution we spew into the atmosphere at an alarming rate ACTUALLY has an effect on what happens. It blows my ****ing mind.
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All you have is political agenda. None of what you hyperventilating about is fact, just alarmist pablum.
 
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j-mac said:
All you have is political agenda. None of what you hyperventilating about is fact, just alarmist pablum.
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Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
 
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OnWisconsin said:
Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
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When they are tested and can replace the output of current and future energy demands then sure I am an "all the above" Kind of guy. But they have to be proven and reliable.

Til that point we are stuck with petroleum based energy.

Also I think we have done remarkable things with our environment from when I was a kid. It's never been cleaner in my lifetime. Hell, I drive a semi that boasts to put out cleaner air than it takes in.

But all that is for naught if the rest of the world doesn't do the same. It's not as if emissions stay only over the country that produces them.
 
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OnWisconsin said:
Alright, I'll concede for the sake of not having a never ending argument. I will ask this and leave it be. Regardless of if you believe in global climate change, surely you can agree that pumping thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere/oceans/ground is not a good thing? Perhaps we should figure out ways to "Conserve" our planet?
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So long as you agree that CO/2 isn't a pollutant.
 
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j-mac said:
More logical fallacy.
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Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).
 
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j-mac said:
And remember Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy.
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Going to try one more time to help you.

An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.
This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.

Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
 
Boo Radley said:
It's easy. You seem to support what they do. No environmental regulations to speak of. No worker safety or pay issues. Isn't this what you want?
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You're a liar, because you purposely changed what I clearly said. Trolling is what you're all about here, because you don't have a principle or argument to stand on.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).
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No, you are trying to say that because NASA says so, that is the end of discussion. That is textbook appeal to authority. Look it up.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Going to try one more time to help you.

An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.
This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.

This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert. In such cases the reasoning is flawed because the fact that an unqualified person makes a claim does not provide any justification for the claim. The claim could be true, but the fact that an unqualified person made the claim does not provide any rational reason to accept the claim as true.

Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
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Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Oh please. You're right. A truck driver knows more about science than any scientist. He'll, I'm doing brain surgery tomorrow without even sleeping in a Holiday Inn. After all you don't need to know anything, that'd be appealing to authority (lord I wish people knew the fallacy before they called things a fallacy).
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If you want to use that argument then you shouldn't be listening to the likes of Michael Mann on matters of statistical modeling, you should be listening to statisticians.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?
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At the core of every true believer's understanding of climate science is a tangle of interdependent logical fallacies.
 
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jmotivator said:
At the core of every true believer's understanding of climate science is a tangle of interdependent logical fallacies.
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I've known Joe on the boards for over 13 years now. Frankly, I am disappointed at the trend he has embraced in the past few years. He used to be better, though I'm also sure he'd say the same of me.
 
American said:
You're a liar, because you purposely changed what I clearly said. Trolling is what you're all about here, because you don't have a principle or argument to stand on.
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Nope. The environmental regulations are tied to GW. You don't have to worry about that or the other things I mentioned in China.
 
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j-mac said:
No, you are trying to say that because NASA says so, that is the end of discussion. That is textbook appeal to authority. Look it up.
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Im saying they represent proper authority, as does the overwhelming scientific community. In the real world, there is no real debate.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, and by pointing to NASA as if there are no other authorities out there, along with you dismissing any that counter their conclusions IS an appeal to authority. Whether you like it or not. Like many you are trying to say the debate is over when it is clearly not.

So, why do you have to resort to fallacy Joe?
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Not what I did. I've given countless sources over the years. Even in the NASA others are mentioned. You ignore everything ever presented in order to pretend there is only one source. You actually others of what you are guilty of, cherry picking outliers and pretending they are mainstream. So, once again, there's no fallacy in what I have presented. I've present actual authorities, and over time more than sufficient number.
 
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jmotivator said:
If you want to use that argument then you shouldn't be listening to the likes of Michael Mann on matters of statistical modeling, you should be listening to statisticians.
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Doesn't matter, he is but one voice. Hardly the linchpin to the argument. Hardly the inky argument. Again, overwhelming scientific community has accepted human contribution to Global Warming.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Doesn't matter, he is but one voice. Hardly the linchpin to the argument. Hardly the inky argument. Again, overwhelming scientific community has accepted human contribution to Global Warming.
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I accept human contribution to global warming as well, so do that vast majority of skeptics, so? It is the Mann faction of AGW that pushes the increasingly unlikely catastrophic scenario that drives the politics, and it is that catastrophic narrative that we skeptics have always questioned.
 
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jmotivator said:
I accept human contribution to global warming as well, so do that vast majority of skeptics, so? It is the Mann faction of AGW that pushes the increasingly unlikely catastrophic scenario that drives the politics, and it is that catastrophic narrative that we skeptics have always questioned.
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Again, even the consequences have more support that just him. It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Again, even the consequences have more support that just him. It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.
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He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Again, even the consequences have more support that just him.
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More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.

It wasn't him noted in the article actually out measuring the ice.
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Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Im saying they represent proper authority, as does the overwhelming scientific community. In the real world, there is no real debate.
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For me the opposite is true. NASA is part of government and I view everything the government says as political and true or false only insofar as it fits with the politics. Personally, I don't believe anything the government says.
 
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jmotivator said:
More than "just him" surely, but that isn't actually the question. Your statement is true whether there is only 1 other scientist or 20,000 who agree. In other words it is worthless.

The truth is that all the dubious "97%" studies didn't even bother to ask the crucial question of severity of AGW, so there is little support for a claim of a majority of scientists who support the doomsday scenarios that drive the AGW movement.



Melting ice is a result of warming and other causes, not a proof of the cause of the warming. The real anthropogenic contributor to global ice melt is soot, not CO2. The problem for the AGW crowd is that that means they would have to leave the US alone and go pester China and the third world to clean up their act and that doesn't have the same warm glow of redistribution that they seem to love.
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Hah. Another guy who points to soot!

Where does this weird meme come from? WUWT?

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j-mac said:
He didn't say it was him, rather that faction of people within NASA that subscribe to his "sky is falling" alarmism.
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Apparently it takes some courage to dare speak up against the warm mongers. Bengtsson Burners :: SteynOnline
 
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