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Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says[W:46]

Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

There is no consensus. None.

The IPCC has been proven to be dishonest.
East Anglia emails show what type of "scientists" we are dealing with. Dishonest and thug-like in their attempts to halt science. Like the following...



Ignorance is the foundation of Liberalism.

Wrong. Source after source reports the consensus.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Well, some politicians and pundits want it to be - not because AGW is fact - but it allows governments to dictate in authoritarian fashion while using scare tactics. If it's not terrorism - its AGW.

The worst part is that the EU wants to use AGW as a means to create a one world government (which wont happen of course) but that isn't stopping them from escalating the lies in an attempt to guilt nations into submitting to their demands.

Another bizarre thing is that these idiot progressives somehow are trying to imply "climate change" is somehow bad and caused by humans (AGW) when in reality our climate has been changing since day one over 4.5 billion years ago.

I mean does the typical less informed individual actually believe the climate didn't change before humans (or any living animal) walked the earth or even before that?

Also, to make matters worse for the AGW nuts - every prediction they have made has never occurred. First It was "snowball earth" in the 70's and in the early 80's it was drastic global warming caused by man, and many so called climate scientists of that era predicted goofy **** like the US would be "Water World" by 2001 if we didn't destroy capitalism, humanity, business, industrialization etc....

Hell, random no-name psychics are more accurate when it comes to predicting the future than these so called climate experts.... Hell, the weatherman can even predict the weather 2 weeks in advance - yet these global warming nuts are making 20-year predictions (which never come to fruition).

And you dont get the joke either.

And then add a bunch of goofy arguments on how none of their predictions have come true based on predictions you read in science fiction magazines in the past.

If you actually look at what real scientists say, you'll see that the IPCC predictions have been roughly correct since the early 90s, although they missed the preidiction that the tropics would warm proportionally with the arctic - the arctic warming has been alarmingly pronounced.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

And you dont get the joke either.

And then add a bunch of goofy arguments on how none of their predictions have come true based on predictions you read in science fiction magazines in the past.

If you actually look at what real scientists say, you'll see that the IPCC predictions have been roughly correct since the early 90s, although they missed the preidiction that the tropics would warm proportionally with the arctic - the arctic warming has been alarmingly pronounced.

I love your avatar BTW and am a huge Hawks fan but everything you said here is just not factual at all - it's regurgitation.

Their predictions have NEVER been right - as a matter of fact their predictions have been drastically wrong to the point where they backfired in their own faces.

Go back to the 70's and early 80's and read some of their predictions for our present day - their predictions are epic bull****.

At one point they couldn't decide if the earth was cooling or warming.

Also, a lot of these idiots theories came from alarmist books written by people that are anti-human and anti-capitalism, which is one of the fundamental problems with these scientists today that love to spew the whole "AGW" idea. These clowns are motivated to spew their nonsense for monetary and political reasons - not because it's the truth.

Now if you're so confident in your position then please provide at least a sample of predictions made by these so called scientists that came into fruition.

Please don't start with "melting ice caps" because a) we're coming off an ice age and b) the ice caps are really starting to grow.... Also, don't post links to stories about polar bear numbers shrinking when there are more polar bears now than in documented history.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Could you try to find any scientific paper which implies that the North Atlantic drift (There is no other possible one which you are almost talking about) is anything other than wind driven.

I'll give you a clue; you won't.

Protip...

You should only snark in topics you actually know something about.

And you don't know much about ocean currents. Not only are there loads of them... They are not wind driven genius boy.

Satellite Applications for Geoscience Education
 
I love your avatar BTW and am a huge Hawks fan but everything you said here is just not factual at all - it's regurgitation.

Their predictions have NEVER been right - as a matter of fact their predictions have been drastically wrong to the point where they backfired in their own faces.

Go back to the 70's and early 80's and read some of their predictions for our present day - their predictions are epic bull****.

At one point they couldn't decide if the earth was cooling or warming.

Also, a lot of these idiots theories came from alarmist books written by people that are anti-human and anti-capitalism, which is one of the fundamental problems with these scientists today that love to spew the whole "AGW" idea. These clowns are motivated to spew their nonsense for monetary and political reasons - not because it's the truth.

Now if you're so confident in your position then please provide at least a sample of predictions made by these so called scientists that came into fruition.

Please don't start with "melting ice caps" because a) we're coming off an ice age and b) the ice caps are really starting to grow.... Also, don't post links to stories about polar bear numbers shrinking when there are more polar bears now than in documented history.

Well, the ice caps are rapidly melting....especially the North Pole. Antarctica seems like it's gaining sea ice but losing land ice, but the measurements there are not very clear. But Arctic ice is quite well understood and dramatic:


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So there's one.


How about a clearer prediction- tge globsl temperature as forecasted by the IPCC?

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If you'd rather look at it more scientifically, here's the data and predictions with the confidence intervals:

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How about James Hansens well publicized predictions back in 1988 that he presented to Congress?

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Not bad, huh?


I'm guessing you are reading predictions in old 1970s copies of Popular Mechanics or Boys Life.
 
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Well, the ice caps are rapidly melting....especially the North Pole. Antarctica seems like it's gaining sea ice but losing land ice, but the measurements there are not very clear. But Arctic ice is quite well understood and dramatic:


5yzyty3u.jpg



So there's one.


How about a clearer prediction- tge globsl temperature as forecasted by the IPCC?

ypu4aget.jpg


If you'd rather look at it more scientifically, here's the data and predictions with the confidence intervals:

anyzyra6.jpg



How about James Hansens well publicized predictions back in 1988 that he presented to Congress?

8a9ezyga.jpg


9adyqeqa.jpg


Not bad, huh?


I'm guessing you are reading predictions in old 1970s copies of Popular Mechanics or Boys Life.

The ice caps are not rapidly melting - that is just more stuff authoritarian governments want you to believe.

The ice caps are growing, and IMO I wouldn't be shocked if in 10-15,000 years Illinois would be covered under a mile of ice again.

I encourage everyone to really take a step back and actually study the history of our planet. The Earth is a mysterious and living being and there is absolutely nothing humans can do to stop Geo's cycles - which as dangerous as it seems some want to do and some are attempting to do it.

Also, given the Earths age - our industrial revolution only happened in a blink of an eye, so attempting to even use data (which btw, doesn't go back that far or is incomplete or non-existent) to determine what effect what impact (if any) humans could have on the environment is preposterous.

Geology is the only means to actually determine how the Earth reacts or naturally progresses and what the geological record has shown is that the Earth is unstable at best and can throw many surprises at us (or living entities that inhabit the planet) without notice and can drastically change our environment in a nanosecond and there is nothing anyone can do about it and nor should anyone try to do anything about it.
 
The ice caps are not rapidly melting - that is just more stuff authoritarian governments want you to believe.

The ice caps are growing, and IMO I wouldn't be shocked if in 10-15,000 years Illinois would be covered under a mile of ice again.

I encourage everyone to really take a step back and actually study the history of our planet. The Earth is a mysterious and living being and there is absolutely nothing humans can do to stop Geo's cycles - which as dangerous as it seems some want to do and some are attempting to do it.

Also, given the Earths age - our industrial revolution only happened in a blink of an eye, so attempting to even use data (which btw, doesn't go back that far or is incomplete or non-existent) to determine what effect what impact (if any) humans could have on the environment is preposterous.

Geology is the only means to actually determine how the Earth reacts or naturally progresses and what the geological record has shown is that the Earth is unstable at best and can throw many surprises at us (or living entities that inhabit the planet) without notice and can drastically change our environment in a nanosecond and there is nothing anyone can do about it and nor should anyone try to do anything about it.

LOL. So wait.

You ask for the data and correct predictions.

I show you some.

You dismiss them as not real, and offer no data of your own to show they are correct. Then you spin a whole lot of other yarns and pretend you made a vailid point.

Lets focus in on one single obvious thing... please support your contention that the Arctic ice cap is growing. And I dont want to see a single years data, because as we all (should) know, thats variability. I've just posted a graphic quite clearly showing a dramatic drop in sea ice coverage in the arctic. You just blew it off. Show me where I'm wrong.

Will NASA data help? I know some of you guys think they are in on the conspiracy. But here's that data:

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Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Protip...

You should only snark in topics you actually know something about.

And you don't know much about ocean currents. Not only are there loads of them... They are not wind driven genius boy.

Satellite Applications for Geoscience Education

Perhaps this is the basic difference between skeptics and the believers of AGW.

The skeptics, if they have a think about it, will consider the force of wind on the ocean and multiply the number by the distance from Bermuda to Ireland and get a huge number.

Those destined to believe in AGW will look at a pretty map with lots of colors and say that that must be right whilst never considering the power of a temperature gradient of 30 degrees c over 4000 miles.

Which do you think is capable of shifting the vast amounts of water moved by these ocean currents?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

You people will say ANYTHING to cover for The Messiah...lol!

Hey, Jesus is the Messiah. Take your blasphemy elsewhere, I'm sure it will be appreciated at your local mega-church.

So he should be talking about CIA projects and sending in the Marines everywhere then? Or is it just "Obama Bad, Republicans good?"
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Hey, Jesus is the Messiah. Take your blasphemy elsewhere, I'm sure it will be appreciated at your local mega-church.

So he should be talking about CIA projects and sending in the Marines everywhere then? Or is it just "Obama Bad, Republicans good?"

Who said "Republican's good"? Or is that just your way of muddying the water some more?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Who said "Republican's good"? Or is that just your way of muddying the water some more?

Ah, we're going to parse sentences so you have something to attack me for. If you have anything of substance to add, let me know.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Ah, we're going to parse sentences so you have something to attack me for. If you have anything of substance to add, let me know.

No, it's a simple question...you injected something into your response to adpst that he never said, or implied....I wondered why and you get all defensive....Great tell....
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No, it's a simple question...you injected something into your response to adpst that he never said, or implied....I wondered why and you get all defensive....Great tell....

That's actually pretty much every apdst comment.

So assuming my theory of a CIA thing gone wrong, what exactly should Obama have done? Talk about CIA operations? Send in the Marines whenever one goes wrong? Maybe you disagree with my theory, but that still raises the question of why was Benghazi crawling with CIA operatives, and why did the ambassador choose that time to make his trip to Benghazi?

If you assume that there was some CIA **** going down in Benghazi, and that the ambassador's presence wasn't a coincidence....then it makes sense why there was a cover story, and it makes sense why the Marines weren't dropped in to rescue them. So if the ambassador's presence is a coincidence, what was the reason for it? If there was no CIA operation happening, why was the CIA all over the place? It's not just, to use his words "Anything to excuse the Messiah," it actually makes sense and it's what I assume any President would do in that same situation.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Perhaps this is the basic difference between skeptics and the believers of AGW.

The skeptics, if they have a think about it, will consider the force of wind on the ocean and multiply the number by the distance from Bermuda to Ireland and get a huge number.

Those destined to believe in AGW will look at a pretty map with lots of colors and say that that must be right whilst never considering the power of a temperature gradient of 30 degrees c over 4000 miles.

Which do you think is capable of shifting the vast amounts of water moved by these ocean currents?

Or you could educate yourself with the link I provided that explains what moves currents instead of trying to act condescending while being wrong at the same time.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

No point in really discussing the meaningful impacts of climate and policy in a thread like this because it always gets overrun by the ignorant who just want to derail the discussion.

People who question climate change need to watch a basic talk about how advanced the interactive models have become, and take their fingers out of their ears.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
Perhaps this is the basic difference between skeptics and the believers of AGW.

The skeptics, if they have a think about it, will consider the force of wind on the ocean and multiply the number by the distance from Bermuda to Ireland and get a huge number.

Those destined to believe in AGW will look at a pretty map with lots of colors and say that that must be right whilst never considering the power of a temperature gradient of 30 degrees c over 4000 miles.

Which do you think is capable of shifting the vast amounts of water moved by these ocean currents?

Or you could educate yourself with the link I provided that explains what moves currents instead of trying to act condescending while being wrong at the same time.

If we can find a mutually acceptable referee would you like to have a little bet on this?

You say that the North Atlantic conveyor/Gulf Stream is a temperature gradient driven feature and I say it's wind driven. If we can find a suitable engineer or physicist we could have some fun with this. You will have to PM me though I'm away for a week.

$1000?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

I find this whole thread sad and pathetic.

I find that climate change deniers fall into 4 different camps.

1) The denier that knows climate change is happening but any solution to climate change is so antithetical to their political beliefs they find far easier to just place their head in the sand.
2) The denier that thinks climate change is possible but would put their hope and dreams that it really isn't happening and they vehemetly covince themselves they are right.
3) The denier that is a rube and will believe anything that a so called conservative tells them.
4) The religious zealot dominionist who believe that somehow God will prevent climate change from hurting them because they are Godly.

The evidence could not be clearer. I do not wish to debate with anyone who does not believe what it so blatently obvious. I just find it sad and pathetic. If we do have great-grandchildren they will back at us and curse.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

I find this whole thread sad and pathetic.

I find that climate change deniers fall into 4 different camps.

1) The denier that knows climate change is happening but any solution to climate change is so antithetical to their political beliefs they find far easier to just place their head in the sand.
2) The denier that thinks climate change is possible but would put their hope and dreams that it really isn't happening and they vehemetly covince themselves they are right.
3) The denier that is a rube and will believe anything that a so called conservative tells them.
4) The religious zealot dominionist who believe that somehow God will prevent climate change from hurting them because they are Godly.

The evidence could not be clearer. I do not wish to debate with anyone who does not believe what it so blatently obvious. I just find it sad and pathetic. If we do have great-grandchildren they will back at us and curse.

Denial isn't the question - AGW is the question.

Ironically the real crime is asking questions, and just not blindly accepting.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

That's actually pretty much every apdst comment.

So assuming my theory of a CIA thing gone wrong, what exactly should Obama have done? Talk about CIA operations? Send in the Marines whenever one goes wrong? Maybe you disagree with my theory, but that still raises the question of why was Benghazi crawling with CIA operatives, and why did the ambassador choose that time to make his trip to Benghazi?

If you assume that there was some CIA **** going down in Benghazi, and that the ambassador's presence wasn't a coincidence....then it makes sense why there was a cover story, and it makes sense why the Marines weren't dropped in to rescue them. So if the ambassador's presence is a coincidence, what was the reason for it? If there was no CIA operation happening, why was the CIA all over the place? It's not just, to use his words "Anything to excuse the Messiah," it actually makes sense and it's what I assume any President would do in that same situation.

Didn't you say 9/11 was a cover up?
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Denial isn't the question - AGW is the question.

Ironically the real crime is asking questions, and just not blindly accepting.

Prime example of denier category 1. "The solutions to climate change are so antithetical to my political beliefs that I decide to bury my head in the sand."

Kind of goes like this.

Climate change isn't going to happen. This is just the (insert your favorite political enemy here) conning everyone to get their political agenda across.

**** Enter Actual Climate Change and Predicted Climate Change Events ****

Climate change may be happening but it is not because of human action...why because I have already invested most my life in denying climate change and its consequences that it is just easier to accept we cannot do anything about it and bury our heads in the sand.

Thanks for so blatently pointing on of the scenarios out for me.

FYI...the fight to do something about climate change has nothing to do with saving the earth. It has everything to do with saving human existance on the earth. To just give up and say Oh well we aren't doing and there is nothing we can do to stop it is a defeatist mentality.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Prime example of denier category 1. "The solutions to climate change are so antithetical to my political beliefs that I decide to bury my head in the sand."

Kind of goes like this.

Climate change isn't going to happen. This is just the (insert your favorite political enemy here) conning everyone to get their political agenda across.

**** Enter Actual Climate Change and Predicted Climate Change Events ****

Climate change may be happening but it is not because of human action...why because I have already invested most my life in denying climate change and its consequences that it is just easier to accept we cannot do anything about it and bury our heads in the sand.

Thanks for so blatently pointing on of the scenarios out for me.

FYI...the fight to do something about climate change has nothing to do with saving the earth. It has everything to do with saving human existance on the earth. To just give up and say Oh well we aren't doing and there is nothing we can do to stop it is a defeatist mentality.

Ok, you first.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Glad to hear it. Did you believe bush covered anything up?

There's probably a couple of things that he was less than forthcoming about. For the record, I never brought up Bush. Good job.
 
Re: Climate change is here and action needed now, new White House report says

Ok, you first.

Me first what? Cut down my carbon usage? What makes you think I haven't. By my calculations I have cut my own carbon emissions in half since 1990. How about you? How about the gov?
 
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